DoG's Top 100 Test Batsmen - 100-75

[Viscount Tom]

Very pleased to see Leyland in there.

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Samaraweera cracking through top 90 is a bit high for me, his career peak probably playing a major role in this

 

[Days of Grace]

Tellingly, his average has been adjusted downwards further than any other batsmen in the top 100, with the exception of Paynter, who only played 20 matches.

 

[Days of Grace]

85: Arthur Morris (Australia) (1946-1955)



Career Average: 46.48
Adjusted career average: 44.10
Adjusted away average: 48.83
Adjusted top-opposition average: 42.68
Top Tier centuries: 1
Second tier centuries: 1
Third tier centuries: 6
Significant innings: 15
Significant innings per match: 0.33
Great innings: 3
Innings worth average: 3.07

25 Test peak adjusted average: 50.82


Quality Points: 522
Career Points: 52
Peak Points: 109
TOTAL POINTS: 683




84: Daryll Cullinan (South Africa) (1993-2001)



Career Average: 44.21
Adjusted career average: 43.92
Adjusted away average: 42.99
Adjusted top-opposition average: 39.80
Top Tier centuries: 0
Second tier centuries: 2
Third tier centuries: 11
Significant innings: 23
Significant innings per match: 0.33
Great innings: 2
Innings worth average: 3.12

25 Test peak adjusted average: 61.84
50 Test peak adjusted average: 48.69


Quality Points: 508
Career Points: 56
Peak Points: 119
TOTAL POINTS: 684




83: Bill Ponsford (Australia) (1924-1934)



Career Average: 48.33
Adjusted career average: 46.89
Adjusted away average: 60.36
Adjusted top-opposition average: 42.61
Top Tier centuries: 0
Second tier centuries: 5
Third tier centuries: 0
Significant innings: 10
Significant innings per match: 0.34
Great innings: 2
Innings worth average: 3.05

25 Test peak adjusted average: 47.30


Quality Points: 560
Career Points: 46
Peak Points: 78
TOTAL POINTS: 684



82: Ian Redpath (Australia) (1964-1976)



Career Average: 43.45
Adjusted career average: 43.89
Adjusted away average: 43.72
Adjusted top-opposition average: 45.01
Top Tier centuries: 1
Second tier centuries: 4
Third tier centuries: 3
Significant innings: 22
Significant innings per match: 0.33
Great innings: 3
Innings worth average: 3.03

25 Test peak adjusted average: 46.57
50 Test peak adjusted average: 45.67


Quality Points: 509
Career Points: 66
Peak Points: 110
TOTAL POINTS: 685




81: Desmond Haynes (West Indies) (1978-1994)



Career Average: 42.29
Adjusted career average: 42.12
Adjusted away average: 34.50
Adjusted top-opposition average: 42.46
Top Tier centuries: 3
Second tier centuries: 5
Third tier centuries: 10
Significant innings: 39
Significant innings per match: 0.34
Great innings: 1
Innings worth average: 2.91

25 Test peak adjusted average: 51.89
50 Test peak adjusted average: 44.05


Quality Points: 483
Career Points: 94
Peak Points: 109
TOTAL POINTS: 686

 

[uvelocity]

cullinan?

 

[NUFAN]

Redpath!! My old mans favourite player. What were his 3 great innings? Harsh photo for Cullinan lol.

 

[Howe_zat]

I never realised Cullinan's record was so solid, he's only ever talked about in relation to Warne for some reason.

I wonder where Shaun Pollock will come? Bleacher Report has him in South Africa's top 5: 5 Greatest South African Batsmen of All Time | Bleacher Report

 

[Coronis]

Good to see Ponny there.

 

[watson]

Ponsford, Redpath, and presumably Lawry in front of Arthur Morris. Nice.

 

[Days of Grace]

Redpath!! My old mans favourite player. What were his 3 great innings? Harsh photo for Cullinan lol.

Redpath's great innings:

63 vs. India at Chennai 1969 (14.69)
5th Test: India v Australia at Chennai, Dec 24-28, 1969 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
171 vs. England at Perth 1970 (13.82)
2nd Test: Australia v England at Perth, Dec 11-16, 1970 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
159 vs. New Zealand at Auckland 1974 (14.96)
3rd Test: New Zealand v Australia at Auckland, Mar 22-24, 1974 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

The match against New Zealand also featured a great knock by Dougeh Walters in the first dig. Without those two innings, New Zealand might have won their first series against Australia.

 

[Coronis]

Ponsford, Redpath, and presumably Lawry in front of Arthur Morris. Nice.

Looks about right to me, apart from Redpath, though I know little about him.

 

[Days of Grace]

Here is the thing about Cullinan. I am unhappy with him being so far up, because it shows a slight flaw in my top opposition average calculation. Let me explain:

vs. top tier opposition (7 tests against Australia, 1 against Pakistan), he scored 265 adjusted runs at an average of 20.38
vs. 2nd tier opposition, he scored 908 adjusted runs at an average of 39.48
vs. 3rd tier opposition, he scored 2842 runs at an average of 54.65

A huge difference in averages between the tiers. I multiply the runs against top tier by 1.5 and the 3rd tier by 0.5, thus giving a new total of 2726 at an average of 39.80.

Is there a better way to do this? He scored so many runs against 3rd tier opposition that it really makes his average higher than it should be.

 

[watson]

Looks about right to me, apart from Redpath, though I know little about him.

There is no doubt that Morris was great to watch, but I've always thought that his stats and reputation hinge too much on the years immediately after the War. Once Bedser and Laker matured, then Statham and Tyson came along for England, and Ramadhin and Valentine for the West Indies, his averaged took a significant drop. In his first 4 series between 1946 and 1950 Morris averaged 67.68. But against better bowling he averaged 34.76 in his last 27 Tests. Admittedly, 34.76 isn't that bad for an opening batsman, but it seems mis-matched when put along side the tributes and his glowing reputation.

 

[uvelocity]

Here is the thing about Cullinan. I am unhappy with him being so far up, because it shows a slight flaw in my top opposition average calculation. Let me explain:

vs. top tier opposition (7 tests against Australia, 1 against Pakistan), he scored 265 adjusted runs at an average of 20.38
vs. 2nd tier opposition, he scored 908 adjusted runs at an average of 39.48
vs. 3rd tier opposition, he scored 2842 runs at an average of 54.65

A huge difference in averages between the tiers. I multiply the runs against top tier by 1.5 and the 3rd tier by 0.5, thus giving a new total of 2726 at an average of 39.80.

Is there a better way to do this? He scored so many runs against 3rd tier opposition that it really makes his average higher than it should be.

maybe a ratio of top:second:third - if it's over a threshold it adds a penalty calculation

 

[NUFAN]

Redpath's great innings:

63 vs. India at Chennai 1969 (14.69)
5th Test: India v Australia at Chennai, Dec 24-28, 1969 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
171 vs. England at Perth 1970 (13.82)
2nd Test: Australia v England at Perth, Dec 11-16, 1970 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
159 vs. New Zealand at Auckland 1974 (14.96)
3rd Test: New Zealand v Australia at Auckland, Mar 22-24, 1974 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

The match against New Zealand also featured a great knock by Dougeh Walters in the first dig. Without those two innings, New Zealand might have won their first series against Australia.

Cheers for that, I had never seen the 63 vs India scorecard before.

 

[ankitj]

Here is the thing about Cullinan. I am unhappy with him being so far up, because it shows a slight flaw in my top opposition average calculation. Let me explain:

vs. top tier opposition (7 tests against Australia, 1 against Pakistan), he scored 265 adjusted runs at an average of 20.38
vs. 2nd tier opposition, he scored 908 adjusted runs at an average of 39.48
vs. 3rd tier opposition, he scored 2842 runs at an average of 54.65

A huge difference in averages between the tiers. I multiply the runs against top tier by 1.5 and the 3rd tier by 0.5, thus giving a new total of 2726 at an average of 39.80.

Is there a better way to do this? He scored so many runs against 3rd tier opposition that it really makes his average higher than it should be.

That is fine I think. You are multiplying the tier 3 average by 0.5 which means Cullinan is effectively averaging 27.3 against that group. Similarly he is effectively averaging 30.8 against tier 1. So his runs against tier 3 teams are at a lesser effective average than the runs scored against tier 1 and 2 teams. In other words the fact that he scored so many runs against tier 3 opposition is affecting him negatively.

I think your discounting of tier 3 opposition is actually quite steep. Averaging 20 against tier 1 is same as averaging 60 against tier 3! For most batsmen, tier 3 average will be under 60 and tier 1 will be above 20. So I suspect lesser they play against tier 3, better it will be for their adjusted average (the deep discounting will result in tier 3 games deteriorating the average rather than helping or staying neutral). An alternative might be to use 1/1.5 = 0.67 multiplier for tier 3 runs. That way every successive multiplier is 50% better than the previous one.

 

[morgieb]

Great stuff so far. Love the Cullinan pick.

 

[Days of Grace]

Contrary to the title of this thread, this will go to number 76 before I make another thread for numbers 75-51.

Some great sub-continent middle-order batsmen here.


80: Aravinda de Silva (Sri Lanka) (1984-2002)



Career Average: 42.97
Adjusted career average: 42.62
Adjusted away average: 36.08
Adjusted top-opposition average: 41.87
Top Tier centuries: 3
Second tier centuries: 6
Third tier centuries: 7
Significant innings: 16
Significant innings per match: 0.17
Great innings: 2
Innings worth average: 3.02

25 Test peak adjusted average: 69.88
50 Test peak adjusted average: 47.81


Quality Points: 484
Career Points: 83
Peak Points: 122
TOTAL POINTS: 689



79: Mohammad Azharuddin (India) (1984-2000)



Career Average: 45.03
Adjusted career average: 43.23
Adjusted away average: 33.97
Adjusted top-opposition average: 41.76
Top Tier centuries: 9
Second tier centuries: 0
Third tier centuries: 10
Significant innings: 20
Significant innings per match: 0.20
Great innings: 3
Innings worth average: 3.07

25 Test peak adjusted average: 50.95
50 Test peak adjusted average: 44.49


Quality Points: 490
Career Points: 92
Peak Points: 107
TOTAL POINTS: 690



78: Saleem Malik (Pakistan) (1982-1999)



Career Average: 43.69
Adjusted career average: 42.22
Adjusted away average: 38.07
Adjusted top-opposition average: 48.08
Top Tier centuries: 3
Second tier centuries: 1
Third tier centuries: 8
Significant innings: 24
Significant innings per match: 0.23
Great innings: 1
Innings worth average: 2.99


25 Test peak adjusted average: 57.90
50 Test peak adjusted average: 49.69

Quality Points: 490
Career Points: 81
Peak Points: 118
TOTAL POINTS: 690



77: Stewie Dempster (New Zealand) (1930-1933)



Career Average: 65.73
Adjusted career average: 65.09
Adjusted away average: 86.34*
Adjusted top-opposition average: 88.07*
Top Tier centuries: 1
Second tier centuries: 1
Third tier centuries: 0
Significant innings: 3
Significant innings per match: 0.30
Great innings: 1
Innings worth average: 4.05


Quality Points: 653
Career Points: 18
Peak Points: 19
TOTAL POINTS: 690

* less than 10 matches played.


76: Lindsay Hassett (Australia) (1938-1953)



Career Average: 46.56
Adjusted career average: 45.95
Adjusted away average: 39.93
Adjusted top-opposition average: 43.30
Top Tier centuries: 2
Second tier centuries: 3
Third tier centuries: 2
Significant innings: 13
Significant innings per match: 0.30
Great innings: 1
Innings worth average: 3.07

25 Test peak adjusted average: 54.49


Quality Points: 521
Career Points: 59
Peak Points: 110
TOTAL POINTS: 691

 

[Coronis]

Did not expect Dempster to be there, thats for sure.

 

[MrPrez]

Cullinan must have got bonus marks for being the best mic'd-up captain in the domestic limited overs stuff.