DoG's Test Innings and Bowling Performances. Updates thread.

[CaptainGrumpy]

ODI cricket is the same game/sport as test cricket, yes. They are played under the same sporting body, for example.

So is rugby 7's and rugby union. Totally different games.

ODI cricket is not the same game as test cricket.

It has different rules.

Limited overs, minimum 5 bowlers and fielding restrictions the most obvious.

Geoffrey Boycott is not going to make an all time England XI for ODI cricket, is he?

 

[Spikey]

See if you had said format instead of game you would have been off scot free, but alas you are in the wrong. thank you good night.

 

[weldone]

Did you know Sachin only averages 42.7 in the second innings? Why do you think he was so much more average under pressure? Was he just a first innings flat track bully? I mean he did average 60 in the first innings? Was he a choker? Start off well and fail more often when it mattered more dearly on a more difficult pitch? Why does VVS Laxman have a higher second innings average of 48.88 than Tendulkars?

And the international hundreds thing - you know that they're different games right? With different rules? Lote Tuquri is not better than Jonah Lomu because he played both versions of rugby is he?

1. Did you just randomly press that 'Reply with Quote' button and randomly wrote whatever was on your mind?
2. Who is this 'loote jawa torkari' btw?
3. How old are you?

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

1. Did you just randomly press that 'Reply with Quote' button and randomly wrote whatever was on your mind?
2. Who is this 'loote jawa torkari' btw?
3. How old are you?

Do not answer a question with a question.

But to be fair and for clarifcation - Lote Tuquri is a famous rugby player of both rugby and rugby league. The differing sporting bodies has been distinguished by Spikey who has run into a hole with rugby 7's and rugby union normal.

Then the question could be a player of 7's and union normal is not better than a player rugby union normal at rugby union normal because he has played both versions well. Such as Victor Vito is not better than Jerome Kaino because he played both 7's and union is he?

 

[weldone]

Do not reply to a post with a completely unrelated question. First know what that 'Reply with Quote' button is for.

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

Do not reply to a post with a completely unrelated question. First know what that 'Reply with Quote' button is for.

You were talking Tendulkar. You seem to be a Tendulkar expert.I want to talk Tendulkar with you and for you to enlighten me about all that is Sachin.

 

[weldone]

But to be fair and for clarifcation - Lote Tuquri is a famous rugby player of both rugby and rugby league. The differing sporting bodies has been distinguished by Spikey who has run into a whole with rugby 7's and rugby union normal.

Then the question could be a player of 7's and union normal is not better than a player rugby union normal at rugby union normal because he has played both versions well. Such as Victor Vito is not better than Jerome Kaino because he played both 7's and union is he?

Good to know that our own Spikey is such an important person

I can remember only 1 Vito - Vito Corleone; and 2 Jeromes - Jerome K. Jerome and Jerome Taylor

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

Good to know that our own Spikey is such an important person

I can remember only 1 Vito - Vito Corleone; and 2 Jeromes - Jerome K. Jerome and Jerome Taylor

You are being distracted with the rugby question.

I don't mind if you just answer my questions about Sachin.

1 Did you know Sachin only averages 42.7 in the second innings?
2 Why do you think he was so much more average under pressure?
3 Was he just a first innings flat track bully? (I mean he did average 60 in the first innings as against 42.7 in the second)
4 Was he a choker? (Start off well and fail more often than when it mattered more dearly on a more difficult pitch)
5 Why does VVS Laxman have a higher second innings average of 48.88 than Tendulkars?

 

[Spark]

How about we not answer those and take this Tendulkar discussion to one of the other four thousand threads on the subject? Thanks.

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

How about we not answer those and take this Tendulkar discussion to one of the other four thousand threads on the subject? Thanks.

You're no fun. They must have used 5 bowlers in the second innings to him and only four in the first eh.

 

[weldone]

You were talking Tendulkar. You seem to be a Tendulkar expert.I want to talk Tendulkar with you and for you to enlighten me about all that is Sachin.

Ok. Now that's a good and humble introduction.

To answer your questions-
1. Do you know Tendulkar's 2nd innings average? - I do.
2. Why did he average more in first innings than in 2nd innings? - Because scoring in first innings is easier. I can eat more tasty apples than sour apples.
3. Was he first innings flat track bully? - I think he was a batting bully in general.
4. Do you think Tendulkar was a choker? - No, I don't.
5. Why does Laxman average higher than Tendulkar in the 2nd innings? - Maybe because he was better than Tendulkar in the 2nd innings
6. Do you know ODI and test cricket have different rules? - Yes I do.
7. Loote jawa torkari better than Dalai Lama? - I don't know that. But I know somethign that you don't know too. Anand Gandhi wrote 'Kyunki Sans Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi'. Now, did you know that?

Does that quench your thirst of knowledge about Tendulkar and cricket in general? Or do you have more questions?

 

[Spark]

How about we not answer those and take this Tendulkar discussion to one of the other four thousand threads on the subject? Thanks.

last warning.

 

[weldone]

How about we not answer those and take this Tendulkar discussion to one of the other four thousand threads on the subject? Thanks.

Don't infract me now. I posted the last reply before seeing your post.

I swear to oblige (and also always praise Alastair Cook and England in future). Don't want another 1-week ban

Thanks and Love

 

[CaptainGrumpy]

Ok. Now that's a good and humble introduction.

To answer your questions-
1. Do you know Tendulkar's 2nd innings average? - I do.
2. Why did he average more in first innings than in 2nd innings? - Because scoring in first innings is easier.
3. Was he first innings flat track bully? - I think he was a batting bully in general.
4. Do you think Tendulkar was a choker? No, I don't.
5. Why does Laxman average higher than Tendulkar in the 2nd innings? - Maybe because he was better than Tendulkar in the 2nd innings.
6. Do you know ODI and test cricket have different rules? - Yes I do.
7. Loote jawa torkari better than Dalai Lama? - I don't know that. But I know somethign that you don't know too. Anand Gandhi wrote 'Kyunki Sans Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi'. Now, did you know that?

Does that quench your thirst of knowledge about Tendulkar and cricket in general? Or do you have more questions?

Spark is going all ACB treating us like Kerry Packer. We're not allowed to play here. We'll have to take it elsewhere and organise a drop in pitch.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Nice thread.

 

[Days of Grace]

Let's get this back on track. Minor update (I can't seem to edit the original post btw):

1 BC Lara 153* Australia Bridgetown 1999 18.08
2 DG Bradman 270 England Melbourne 1937 17.67
3 VVS Laxman 281 Australia Kolkata 2001 17.66
4 V Sehwag 201* Sri Lanka Galle 2008 17.44
5 IT Botham 149* Australia Leeds 1981 17.41
6 GA Gooch 154* West Indies Leeds 1991 17.34
7 ST Jayasuriya 253 Pakistan Faisalabad 2004 17.20
8 Azhar Mahmood 132 South Africa Durban 1998 16.84
9 Saeed Anwar 188* India Kolkata 1999 16.64
10 Hanif Mohammad 337 West Indies Bridgetown 1958 16.44
11 DPMD Jayawardene 180 England Galle 2012 16.31
12 MA Butcher 173* Australia Leeds 2001 16.18
13 GL Jessop 104 Australia The Oval 1902 16.18
14 L Klusener 118 Sri Lanka Kandy 2000 15.85
15 C Bannerman 165* England Melbourne 1877 15.83
16 BB McCullum 302 India Wellington 2014 15.78
17 C Hill 188 England Melbourne 1898 15.73
18 DL Amiss 262* West Indies Kingston 1974 15.69
19 KJ Hughes 100* West Indies Melbourne 1981 15.65
20 Mohammad Wasim 192 Zimbabwe Harare 1998 15.45
21 Younis Khan 267 India Bangalore 2005 15.27
22 SM Gavaskar 221 England The Oval 1979 15.27
23 BC Lara 213 Australia Kingston 1999 15.27
24 AC Gilchrist 149* Pakistan Hobart 1999 15.12
25 DG Bradman 299* South Africa Adelaide 1932 15.11
26 RT Simpson 156* Australia Melbourne 1951 15.10
27 G.C. Smith 154* England Birmingham 2008 15.10
28 J Ryder 201* England Adelaide 1925 15.07
29 OG Smith 168 England Nottingham 1957 15.05
30 DR Martyn 161 Sri Lanka Kandy 2004 15.04
31 DG Bradman 212 England Adelaide 1937 14.98
32 CG Greenidge 214* England Lord's 1984 14.95
33 DM Jones 184* England Sydney 1987 14.90
34 GJ Bonnor 128 England Sydney 1885 14.85
35 Younis Khan 200* Zimbabwe Harare 2013 14.80
36 Inzamam-ul-Haq 329 New Zealand Lahore 2002 14.73
37 RT Ponting 156 England Manchester 2005 14.70
38 ME Trescothick 180 South Africa Johannesburg 2005 14.61
39 CH Lloyd 161* India Kolkata 1983 14.59
40 KS Williamson 242* Sri Lanka Wellington 2015 14.57
41 B Mitchell 164* England Lord's 1935 14.54
42 WW Armstrong 159* South Africa Johannesburg 1902 14.53
43 RE Foster 287 Australia Sydney 1903 14.53
44 Inzamam-ul-Haq 138* Bangladesh Multan 2003 14.49
45 PS McDonnell 147 England Sydney 1882 14.42
46 Hanif Mohammad 187* England Lord's 1967 14.40
47 R Dravid 180 Australia Kolkata 2001 14.34
48 RN Harvey 167 England Melbourne 1959 14.32
49 DM Bravo 218 New Zealand Dunedin 2013 14.31
50 KC Sangakkara 156* New Zealand Wellington 2006 14.29
51 MJ Clarke 151 South Africa Cape Town 2011 14.26
52 AD Nourse 231 Australia Johannesburg 1935 14.26
53 JV Coney 111* Pakistan Dunedin 1985 14.25
54 C Hill 160 England Adelaide 1908 14.22
55 G Kirsten 100* Pakistan Faisalabad 1997 14.21
56 KC Sangakkara 211 Pakistan Abu Dubai 2011 14.15
57 R Dravid 233 Australia Adelaide 2003 14.14
58 DG Bradman 103* England Melbourne 1933 14.13
59 GP Thorpe 113* Sri Lanka Colombo (SSC) 2001 14.12
60 AR Border 163 India Melbourne 1985 14.06
61 RN Harvey 151* South Africa Durban 1950 14.06
62 ME Waugh 116 South Africa Port Elizabeth 1997 14.03
63 JJ Lyons 134 England Sydney 1892 14.02
64 CL Walcott 220 England Bridgetown 1954 14.02
65 GR Viswanath 97* West Indies Chennai 1975 14.00
66 CG Greenidge 213 New Zealand Auckland 1987 13.97
67 RR Sarwan 105 Australia St. John's 2003 13.87
68 CG Greenidge 226 Australia Bridgetown 1991 13.87
69 GR Viswanath 114 Australia Melbourne 1981 13.86
70 KC Sangakkara 203 New Zealand Wellington 2015 13.85
71 PHB May 285 West Indies Birmingham 1957 13.80
72 Kamran Akmal 113 India Karachi 2006 13.78
73 GS Chappell 182* West Indies Sydney 1976 13.76
74 NJ Astle 222 England Christchurch 2002 13.75
75 MJ Greatbatch 146* Australia Perth 1989 13.74
76 JT Brown 140 Australia Melbourne 1895 13.73
77 KD Walters 104* New Zealand Auckland 1974 13.71
78 B Mitchell 189* England The Oval 1947 13.64
79 DI Gower 154* West Indies Kingston 1981 13.63
80 Shahid Afridi 141 India Chennai 1999 13.63
81 S Chanderpaul 104 Australia St. John's 2003 13.60
82 BB McCullum 224 India Auckland 2014 13.59
83 MC Cowdrey 102 Australia Melbourne 1954 13.56
84 IR Redpath 159* New Zealand Auckland 1974 13.54
85 BC Lara 226 Australia Adelaide 2005 13.54
86 Ijaz Ahmed 137 Australia Sydney 1995 13.54
87 I.J.L. Trott 184 Pakistan Lord's 2010 13.53
88 GS Chappell 176 New Zealand Christchurch 1982 13.47
89 J Darling 160 England Sydney 1898 13.44
90 GA Faulkner 123 England Johannesburg 1910 13.41
91 AW Nourse 93* England Johannesburg 1906 13.36
92 SCJ Broad 169 Pakistan Lord's 2010 13.34
93 DL Amiss 179 India Delhi 1976 13.33
94 JL Langer 127 Pakistan Hobart 1999 13.31
95 GM Turner 110* Australia Christchurch 1974 13.29
96 Saeed Anwar 118 South Africa Durban 1998 13.27
97 MEK Hussey 134* Pakistan Sydney 2010 13.21
98 JL Langer 191 Pakistan Perth 2004 13.20
99 MA Butcher 116 South Africa Leeds 1998 13.14
100 KS Williamson 161* West Indies Bridgetown 2014 13.12

And at the risk of creating a thread meltdown...

A selection of Tendulkar innings

248* vs. Bangladesh Dhaka 2004 13.05
214 vs. Australlia Bangalore 2010 12.63
136 vs. Pakistan Chennai 1999 12.45
169 vs. South Africa Cape Town 1997 12.31
119* vs. England Manchester 1990 11.27
116 vs. Australia Melbourne 1999 10.86
103* vs. England Chennai 2008 10.70
155* vs. Australia Chennai 1998 10.15
114 vs. Australia Perth 1992 8.87
241* vs. Australia Sydney 2004 8.10


Yes, I'm not happy with the Bangladesh innings being at no.1 either. However, the thing about Tendulkar is that he rarely won a match for his team against good opposition where he was by far the best batsman on display in the match. For nearly all his highly rated innings, he had a good amount of support.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Fair enough. Really think the Chennai 136, and his 116 at Melbourne should be rated extremely high even though they came in losses. I was surprised the latter isn't rated higher (isn't even listed in your top Sachin innings) considering it was against a sensational attack and he had zero support. Have always considered it one of his best.

 

[Howe_zat]

Stuart Broad has played an innings that rates as better than anything Tendulkar ever did

Best fact. Best.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Stuart Broad has played an innings that rates as better than anything Tendulkar ever did

Best fact. Best.

Not just Sachin tbf to him. Afridi has a higher rated innings than any of Sachin, Viv Richards, Sobers, Hutton, Hobbs, Kallis, Graeme Pollock and Steve Waugh.

 

[weldone]

Stuart Broad has played an innings that rates as better than anything Tendulkar ever did

Best fact. Best.

Haha ya and AFAIR Agarkar has 1/2 entries in DoG's top 100 bowling performances list whereas no Pakistani bowler has any.