Does strikerate matter in judging a test bowler?

[Satguru]

It's not desperate. I'm not trying to defend Sobers bowling at all, it's why I used the other example of Gibbs and MacGill too. I just don't rate Kallis the bowler as highly as many others do.

Also, It's just plain and simple that for bowlers averaging the same in two different eras, the more recent bowler is going to have the better strike rate. If they have the same strike rate, the bowler from the previous era will have the better average..

The gap of 68 of Kallis and Sobers 92 is definitely large and means that Kallis is still the better strike bowler across their whole careers, but I'm not sure who's better against stronger opposition.

Yeah, even i dont rate Kallis too highly as a bowler
But his stats are actually pretty decent and consistent against most opposition too. I compared kallis and Sobers because everyone reached a consensus that SR could be used to separate two bowlers with similar records.
About the SR for Sobers' era, was it generally that high for the bowlers of his time? I find it hard to believe, really.

 

[smash84]

It's not desperate. I'm not trying to defend Sobers bowling at all, it's why I used the other example of Gibbs and MacGill too. I just don't rate Kallis the bowler as highly as many others do.

Also, It's just plain and simple that for bowlers averaging the same in two different eras, the more recent bowler is going to have the better strike rate. If they have the same strike rate, the bowler from the previous era will have the better average..

The gap of 68 of Kallis and Sobers 92 is definitely large and means that Kallis is still the better strike bowler across their whole careers, but I'm not sure who's better against stronger opposition.

btw NUFAN you should check out one eye-popping stat for Sobers.

His SR against Pakistan is 300+

 

[kiwiviktor81]

I would agree with soe above that the match situations must be accounted for. Sobers bowled in onder to strangle the opposition, allowing the pace battery to blow them away when they went looking for more runs.

Kallis goes out to take wickets. Sobers's role was more of assisting the the other quicks.

 

[Dan]

I would agree with soe above that the match situations must be accounted for. Sobers bowled in onder to strangle the opposition, allowing the pace battery to blow them away when they went looking for more runs.

Kallis goes out to take wickets. Sobers's role was more of assisting the the other quicks.

Had the ability to bowl long spells too. I was watching a doco the other day, and it talked about Sobers bowling a 30-odd over spell (correct me if I'm wrong) after Alf Valentine managed to end up with swollen hands after spending a night playing the bongo drums.

 

[benchmark00]

ffs, keep reading the title of this thread as 'Does silentstriker matter in judging a test bowler?'

And the answer to that question is unequivocally no.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Had the ability to bowl long spells too. I was watching a doco the other day, and it talked about Sobers bowling a 30-odd over spell (correct me if I'm wrong) after Alf Valentine managed to end up with swollen hands after spending a night playing the bongo drums.

which doco was Sir? Would be interested to watch something about the great man

 

[Black_Warrior]

ffs, keep reading the title of this thread as 'Does silentstriker matter in judging a test bowler?'

And the answer to that question is unequivocally no.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Another thing I would be interested in is, how reliable are these strike rate figures from the 1960s?

 

[sachin200]

btw NUFAN you should check out one eye-popping stat for Sobers.

His SR against Pakistan is 300+

Must have played in pakistan, hanif mohammed, umpires etc

 

[smash84]

Must have played in pakistan, hanif mohammed, umpires etc

even accounting for that, it is too high.

It makes dennis lillee's SR of 101 look godly