Disappointing players

[sledger]

Franklyn Rose
Nixon Mclean

Reon King?

 

[Richard]

By the sounds of things King may have found a second-wind - I guess we'll see in the upcoming Carib Beer.

 

[Mister Wright]

By the sounds of things King may have found a second-wind - I guess we'll see in the upcoming Carib Beer.

Or VB Series before that.

 

[Richard]

He's in the squad?

 

[Richard]

So he is!!!!
Can't believe I didn't notice that!!!

 

[Mister Wright]

Team Brian Lara (capt), Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Christopher Gayle, Wavell Hinds, Ramnaresh Sarwan, Marlon Samuels, Dwayne Bravo, Ryan Hinds, Courtney Browne, Ian Bradshaw, Pedro Collins, Mervyn Dillon, Reon King, Xavier Marshall.

 

[Mister Wright]

So he is!!!!
Can't believe I didn't notice that!!!

Wouldn't be the first time you've overlooked something.

 

[Richard]

Well, basic beyond-all-question stuff doesn't usually escape me like that.

 

[Mister Wright]

Well, basic beyond-all-question stuff doesn't usually escape me like that.

So what is the score then?

Kyle 1, Richard ?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Reon King?

I don't know how one can say King was disappointing. He's got a very good career record. His injury was a disappointment though.

 

[Richard]

So what is the score then?

Kyle 1, Richard ?

87?
Ah well - we're all on the same side, now, eh?
What with my appointment as coach.

 

[Mister Wright]

87?
Ah well - we're all on the same side, now, eh?
What with my appointment as coach.

Yeah, exactly - Coach!
Just because we're on the right side doesn't mean we can't enter debate. It will make the roadtrips more interesting.

 

[Richard]

Yeah, know that.
Y'know the rules, though - don't distract the driver.

 

[tooextracool]

Then you tried once again to manipulate what I'd said into "you said that so you can't augment it".
For "being hammered" simply read "not getting wickets" - most people actually mean the same thing..

what a ridiculous assertion. so if a bowler bowls rubbish and doesnt get any wickets, despite having a good domestic season, he cant shrug off that rubbish and therefore bowls more rubbish? this is another classical case of you twisting your own comments to save face.

This seems pretty familiar. We weren't even talking about Salisbury here, we were talking about Hick - you create expanded, unneccessary parts by bringing-in stuff which is debated elsewhere...

yes we were

And it's quite obvious that I know far from anything.
Not as much as you? Maybe. Nothing? Wrong.

okay then given that you only watch the highlights pre 98, theres no way you can know enough about the build up of the deliveries that got him out to make such a claim.

Well I'm more than certain they do..

lets see them then?

Seriously, I've never heard anyone claim Hick didn't have trouble with the short-ball before... same way I never heard anyone claim Lara didn't lose sight of the two Flintoff balls at Edgbaston and Old Trafford.

if by anyone you mean 'richard' then yes you are right.
and as ive said about 2 million times before, hick had trouble with the short ball, just like waugh and kirsten had trouble with the short ball. but just like them he was well capable of batting around it,which is what he did throughout his career. instead he struggle with temperament, something that he always had problems with at the international level.

 

[tooextracool]

And because no-one can... because you say they can't.
And because you say they can't, that means they can't.
No matter that they actually can and, in some cases (such as this) did.

because no-one can, because no one ever has. and in the sameway just because you say they can, it doesnt mean they can either.

 

[tooextracool]

This from the one who claimed he never saw any domestic cricket..

a claim that i never made. i simply said that i dont follow domestic cricket, which is certainly acceptable given the amount of english domestic cricket broadcasted in india. i have however seen enough games of salisbury in domestic cricket and seen him take wickets off rubbish balls in the past. and i do know how poor english county cricketers were against spin around that time.

Sorry, you don't get those sorts of figures over a three-year period without bowling pretty well - having watched the odd one of those games, I can tell you that beyond all question..

amazing isnt it? the same person who says that mcgrath has gone through a 3 year period with lucky wickets now suggests that you cant go through 3 years with that kind of figures without bowling well
i look forward to hearing how you twist and twirl your way around this one.

All of it - you, however, seem not to understand the "it does" bit...
I find it perfectly conceivable.
If someone's bowling rubbish for half the time it's highly unlikely they'll bowl any better the other half.
I am perfectly well aware of the differences in situational factors between batting and bowling, but nonetheless poor temperament can have an effect on both.
Failure breeds failure. You have a poor temperament - you start poorly. You start poorly, the feelings caused by your poor temperament are exaggerated; you then continue to bowl poorly. And so on.

lets just leave it at this then, you think temperament affects bowlers, i dont.

 

[bryce]

i didn't read all of that but i read the last sentence, i think temperament affects some bowlers, the more experience you have the less likely you are to be affected by it

 

[tooextracool]

i didn't read all of that but i read the last sentence, i think temperament affects some bowlers, the more experience you have the less likely you are to be affected by it

precisely what im saying. i think temperament can only affect a bowler for a short period of time. after 7-8 tests or so , you cant still be affected by temperament.

 

[LongHopCassidy]

Michael Clarke.

Just kidding.

 

[Richard]

what a ridiculous assertion. so if a bowler bowls rubbish and doesnt get any wickets, despite having a good domestic season, he cant shrug off that rubbish and therefore bowls more rubbish? this is another classical case of you twisting your own comments to save face.

Another old one comes back out of the bag!
No, he can't shrug-off bowling poorly - that's what lack of temperament is all about.

okay then given that you only watch the highlights pre 98, theres no way you can know enough about the build up of the deliveries that got him out to make such a claim.

I can't?
And you know, don't you, because you know what I've watched, don't you?

lets see them then?

Funnily enough it's rather hard to procure old newspapers et al - there weren't actually that many online reports in 1997, let alone 1992.

if by anyone you mean 'richard' then yes you are right.
and as ive said about 2 million times before, hick had trouble with the short ball, just like waugh and kirsten had trouble with the short ball. but just like them he was well capable of batting around it,which is what he did throughout his career. instead he struggle with temperament, something that he always had problems with at the international level.

And of course it couldn't possibly be that the apparrent problems with the short-ball simply didn't affect Kirsten and Stephen Waugh, while they did affect Hick?
Quite simply, you think they didn't, I think they did.