Dhoni Vs Gilchrist in ODIs.

[marc71178]

Gilchrist isn't even the 2nd best ODI wicket-keeper batsman.

Oh he most definitely is.

 

[Jono]

8 years later in his next WC final, his first few overs were maidens(or absurdly economical) so he recovered.

Edit: First 3 overs were maidens and he got a wicket off his 19th delivery and his 4th over went for 2 runs.



Final: India v Sri Lanka at Mumbai, Apr 2, 2011 | Cricket Commentary | ESPN Cricinfo

Yep. Redemption.

And he teamed up with Sachin to **** on Greg Chappell and end his coaching career.

Good result all round.

 

[harsh.ag]

slightly off topic, how good was the 03 WC final in providing Zaheer Khan's greatest humiliation?

Almost as good as this:

 

[OverratedSanity]

8 years later in his next WC final, his first few overs were maidens(or absurdly economical) so he recovered.

Edit: First 3 overs were maidens and he got a wicket off his 19th delivery and his 4th over went for 2 runs.



Final: India v Sri Lanka at Mumbai, Apr 2, 2011 | Cricket Commentary | ESPN Cricinfo

Yeah was awesome. Shame he fell apart in the death. Although that was obviously just to give SL a sniff and not make it boring like Australia.

 

[Daemon]

Effigies argument is so ****. Because it means any Indian or Pakistani with a record just as good as a non Indian or Pakistani will be rated higher because their fans are more extreme? Silly.

Dhonis record as a batsman and in big games stands on its own. Doesn't need the pressure of a billion argument which is generally pretty lame nowadays.

I didn't mention the pressure of a billion argument did I. The effigy thing was just for fun and a reference to that discussion on cw a couple of days ago.

Dhoni was better, regardless of their role. There's really no point denying it. The way McCullum batted in the lead up to, and the WC was basically an extreme version of Gilchrist. Was he under any situational pressure? **** no, he could just play the same way he had decided he was going to, regardless of the situation. Didn't require any balls. Sort of like that WI chase of 400 or whatever it was that Jono keeps bringing up as a particularly testosterone lacking performance.

Gilchrist never had to worry about getting out. The rest of the batsman could win the game for him and so could his bowlers. On the other hand you had Dhoni, who had a bunch of wonderful batsman around him as well, but who had some of the most rubbish bowlers in world cricket. Huge pressure to put up big totals every time he batted. He also had to engineer multiple chases and constructed them beautifully. Truly a master of batting in the middle overs. He took it down to the wire and when it was one on one, you didn't stand a chance. He rescued India from **** positions, he destroyed attacks when those before him batted well. His versatility is massively underrated.

Dhoni was just better and I can't wait to hear Burgey's triggered response.

 

[Burgey]

My response is I'm cooking a bbq at home and cbf

 

[Daemon]

Dhoni couldn't do bbqs outdoors when the team didn't do well because people would turn up and bbq the entire place

 

[Jono]

I didn't mention the pressure of a billion argument did I. The effigy thing was just for fun and a reference to that discussion on cw a couple of days ago.

Dhoni was better, regardless of their role. There's really no point denying it. The way McCullum batted in the lead up to, and the WC was basically an extreme version of Gilchrist. Was he under any situational pressure? **** no, he could just play the same way he had decided he was going to, regardless of the situation. Didn't require any balls. Sort of like that WI chase of 400 or whatever it was that Jono keeps bringing up as a particularly testosterone lacking performance.

Gilchrist never had to worry about getting out. The rest of the batsman could win the game for him and so could his bowlers. On the other hand you had Dhoni, who had a bunch of wonderful batsman around him as well, but who had some of the most rubbish bowlers in world cricket. Huge pressure to put up big totals every time he batted. He also had to engineer multiple chases and constructed them beautifully. Truly a master of batting in the middle overs. He took it down to the wire and when it was one on one, you didn't stand a chance. He rescued India from **** positions, he destroyed attacks when those before him batted well. His versatility is massively underrated.

Dhoni was just better and I can't wait to hear Burgey's triggered response.

Yes there is nothing wrong with your arguments but don't mix a genuine argument with a ****** joke next time ffs. Taints the rest of your post and gets Burgey posting more which no one wants

 

[anil1405]

Why is scoring a big innings with a massive strike-rate against the new-ball bowlers any less significant than hanging about and batting well in the middle to late overs? Surely both types of players are equally valuable to a team.

Batting with complete freedom knowing there are other quality players to follow, if you fail to deliver, is slightly more comforting than knowing that your top order batsmen have left a lot for you to do.

 

[Jono]

How is that different to walking in with Sachin, the greatest opener of all time, having set a platform?

Swings and roundabouts ffs. They are completely different roles.

 

[anil1405]

Sachin and Dhoni together played less than 50% of total ODIs that Dhoni was involved in. As silly as it may sound to go into such details or compare the different roles that these guys played in, I guess it has to factor in when trying to figure out who was the better of the two.

 

[Burgey]

What about dhonis awful haircut in the first part of his career? He was the third member of Milli Vanilli. These things count.

 

[Furball]

What about dhonis awful haircut in the first part of his career? He was the third member of Milli Vanilli. These things count.

Gilchrist wasn't exactly a male model himself. Front on it would be easy to mistake him for a car with both doors open.

 

[watson]

Batting with complete freedom knowing there are other quality players to follow, if you fail to deliver, is slightly more comforting than knowing that your top order batsmen have left a lot for you to do.

I get the pressure thing but it still doesn't negate Gilchrist's skill or importance. Because let's face it, if Gilly does his job well then Dhoni becomes superfluous because it's pretty much game over.

So Gilchrist V Dhoni is all Swings V Round-a-bouts really.

 

[Daemon]

How is that different to walking in with Sachin, the greatest opener of all time, having set a platform?

Swings and roundabouts ffs. They are completely different roles.

The names below Gilchrist were almost always top class ODI players and this was constant every game while on the other hand Dhoni didn't have a platform every game. Not hard.

 

[Jono]

Haha, that basically makes every knock of Gilly's sub par to every knock of Dhoni's. It may not be hard, but its genuinely ridiculous.

 

[viriya]

The names below Gilchrist were almost always top class ODI players and this was constant every game while on the other hand Dhoni didn't have a platform every game. Not hard.

The same is true in Tests except it was players before him setting up the platform. The GOAT downhill skier.

 

[indiaholic]

Can an argument be made that openers of Gilchrist's calibre are easier to find than finishers of Dhoni's ability?

 

[Daemon]

Haha, that basically makes every knock of Gilly's sub par to every knock of Dhoni's. It may not be hard, but its genuinely ridiculous.

No it doesn't? I'm talking only about situational match pressure here which the player walks out to in the middle, not the tons of other things that make up the quality of an innings.

Get out Jono, you've lost. Dhoni>Gilchrist.

 

[Daemon]

The same is true in Tests except it was players before him setting up the platform. The GOAT downhill skier.

At this point I would like to make clear that my opinions are in no way affiliated with virya's and I think very, very highly of Gilchrist as an ODI batsman.