Declining batting orders making rookies look good?

[WindieWeathers]

Yeah Windies have young batsmen coming through. It's a shame they're pretty rubbish young batsmen.

Yeah, i'm sure Darren Bravo is really jealous of Hughes and Kawaja!! .

p.s. are you gonna answer the question i posed or do you plan to troll for the rest of your stay?

 

[benchmark00]

When in Rome...

 

[Flem274*]

because apart from my team with Darren Bravo, Kirk Edwards, Barath, Kraigg, Powell etc no-one seems to be bringing through young batters at all.

I think you need to widen your horizons.

If this thread goes down the West Indies vs the world track, it will be closed and further moderation considered.

 

[Howe_zat]

But none of those batsmen were actually any good because the standard of bowling was so poor when they played.

All cricketers are crap for one reason or another.

Mmm.

You forgot to mention how the losing team usually isn't interested.

 

[WindieWeathers]

I think you need to widen your horizons.

If this thread goes down the West Indies vs the world track, it will be closed and further moderation considered.

I merely mentioned a fact that apart from WI no-one is bringing through young batters on a regular basis, the old batting orders are forced to carry on with no competition behind them and as they decline these young bowlers are taking advantage, that's my argument, others came in and tried to turn it into a "WI" thread, so maybe you should talk to them aswell?!! .

 

[WindieWeathers]

When in Rome...

Follow people around the forum?

 

[weldone]

...apart from WI no-one is bringing through young batters at a regular basis, the old batting orders are forced to carry on with no competition behind them...

Maybe because the 'old' WI batting order was **** to start with? Maybe if Bravo and Edwards were in India they would have still been waiting for a test debut like Sharma and Rahane with FC batting averages over 60...

 

[Ilovecric]

Good point Windie... Only WI has produced new batsmen who scored runs in the last 12 months or so.

Edwards has like 3 centuries in 5 matches, while bravo has scored over 1000 runs in his debut year -both averaging above 50. Good signs for windies, if they can get Gayle, Sarwan, and Shiv back into the team it would be formidable against most bowling line up today. A fit Roach, Taylor, Rampaul, edwards, russell..could do some damage with the bowling too...

But WI admins are messing up any potential of a strong WI team playing..

 

[wellAlbidarned]

No matter what, no matter which era, some cricket watching ***** are ALWAYS going to complain about the standard of play. It's quite sad, just watch and ****ing enjoy it for what it is or go away and watch another sport that lives up to your kingly standards.

 

[WindieWeathers]

Maybe because the 'old' WI batting order was **** to start with? Maybe if Bravo and Edwards were in India they would have still been waiting for a test debut like Sharma and Rahane with FC batting averages over 60...

India are obviously a special case with the batting order they've had over the last ten years or so, but still there's a space open at six and yet they pick Kohli instead of Sharma and Rahane?!!...the cracks are already begining to emerge so it's gonna be very interesting to see what India do when Tendy, Laxman, Dravid and Sehwag retire .

 

[G.I.Joe]

I merely mentioned a fact that apart from WI no-one is bringing through young batters on a regular basis, the old batting orders are forced to carry on with no competition behind them and as they decline these young bowlers are taking advantage, that's my argument, others came in and tried to turn it into a "WI" thread, so maybe you should talk to them aswell?!! .

Every team tries to bring through youngsters. The WI are only doing it to a greater extent out of sheer necessity because their older batsmen are either crappier than the older batsmen from other teams and/or they can't hold onto their older non-crappy batsmen by insisting on needless apologies. It's gonna be a similar case for India in the coming years, but it won't be for the same reasons except for the necessity of it.

 

[WindieWeathers]

No matter what, no matter which era, some cricket watching ***** are ALWAYS going to complain about the standard of play. It's quite sad, just watch and ****ing enjoy it for what it is or go away and watch another sport that lives up to your kingly standards.

You've totally missed the point, i'm not "complaining" about the new bowlers coming through, i'm simply saying that declinging batting orders are making things easy for them and that doesn't bode well for the top teams when they aren't bringing through new quality batsmen to compete with these young guns.

 

[TumTum]

Not at all. I don't know for the others but Pattinson played against the same NZ batting line-up recently (probably more improved with Williamson) and Cummins played against a full strength SA batting line-up. And de Lange played against the same SL batting line-up they had for a long time.

 

[weldone]

If anything, I think the defensive technique of batsmen have deteriorated and their attacking technique have become better. But that isn't a recent event, it has hapened over the last 12-15 years or so. I don't think the quality of batsmen have suddenly gone down within a year or so, no.

 

[Xuhaib]

If anything, I think the defensive technique of batsmen have deteriorated and their attacking technique have become better. But that isn't a recent event, it has hapened over the last 12-15 years or so. I don't think the quality of batsmen have suddenly gone down within a year or so, no.

can't disagree with that. I feel a good outswing bowler has become more important in the modern game batsman are more prone to nicking early in their innings due to a weaker defensive game.. its not a surprise that 3 best fastbowlers in the current game (Steyn, Anderson and Zaheer) all mainly take the ball away from the righthander as their stock ball.

 

[GIMH]

As soon as I saw the thread title, Cribb's post is pretty much what popped into my head.

Suffice to say, I imagine September 2011 will be the date regarded in the future that is the cut-off point for this wind of change

 

[flibbertyjibber]

Windie has half a point I guess, you can't say India and Australia haven't tried bringing in new bats in recent times, it is just they haven't taken the chances they have been given like Edwards and Bravo have the Windies.

As for new bowlers being made to look good by declining bats, we need to see these young bowlers over 10, 20 or 30 matches before we know if they are the real deal and if they stay injury free etc... For every young bowler who comes in and does well and ends up a great there are plenty more Dominic Cork's and Ed Giddins among them who never really cut the mustard.

 

[GIMH]

I still remember Saj Mahmood having 3-9 a few overs into his Test career....ah Saj

 

[G.I.Joe]

As soon as I saw the thread title, Cribb's post is pretty much what popped into my head.

Suffice to say, I imagine September 2011 will be the date regarded in the future that is the cut-off point for this wind of change

All batting records from Sep 2001 to Sep 2011 to be purged from the history books.

 

[Jono]

As soon as I saw the thread title, Cribb's post is pretty much what popped into my head.

Suffice to say, I imagine September 2011 will be the date regarded in the future that is the cut-off point for this wind of change

All batting records from Sep 2001 to Sep 2011 to be purged from the history books.

Richard references are forever awesome.