Darren Lehmann resigns

[vic_orthdox]

If Lehmann has gone because it happened under his watch rather than it being something he condoned or instigated , why is Sutherland not also falling on his sword?

His reluctance to use the "c" word would embarrass an 80 year old maiden aunt.

I posted this earlier:

http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/cri...-aussie-leadership-group-129.html#post4010787

With the investigation ongoing and "cheat" being related to the charges that could have come about, he couldn't use the term to prejudice the investigation. There's already talk from the ACA that too much board involvement could see an appeal - they weren't supposed to be involved at all - so I'm sure it would have been related to legal advice.

Once the punishments were handed down, he did refer to it as cheating in the next press conference.

 

[hendrix]

No he didn't! Look, I thought he was into this balls deep. Then I saw an interview with Jimmy Maher who said he wouldnt ever be a part of this. Maher's a mate but it seems he's right. He understands Lehmann's character better than anyone here and all I can say is that the investigations vouched for his faith. If Lehmann is as maher says, someone who would never countenance cheating then it can't be said he "created an atmosphere" where it occurred.

You seem to have a very strange definition of leadership.

If he truly is someone who would never countenance cheating:
1. He failed in proper leadership of his team...which is the irst thing that means he has to go.
2. Upon finding out that he failed he should have tried to address his and his team's failures, rather than arguably trying to cover it up (as the evidence strongly suggests).

 

[hendrix]

Completely agree.

You see the bare faced hypocrisy of a prick like KP, who sooked most his career about innuendo and assumptions about his influence in the team, yet sends out a tweet laughing at a suggestion Lehmann didn't know. Which is borderline slander. He, and anyone else outside that group has no ****ing idea and shouldn't claim to.

The camera evidence suggests he at least tried to cover it up, but yeah...KP is a wanker

 

[Daemon]

The camera evidence suggests he at least tried to cover it up, but yeah...KP is a wanker

Apparently it was more of a "what the **** is going on" as opposed to "tell bancroft to ditch the evidence". Plausible imo.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Apparently it was more of a "what the **** is going on" as opposed to "tell bancroft to ditch the evidence". Plausible imo.

Exactly. He's said that, and said that he dragged the team into a meeting at tea to ask what was going on. If that's not the case, it'll get out.

 

[hendrix]

Apparently it was more of a "what the **** is going on" as opposed to "tell bancroft to ditch the evidence". Plausible imo.

Exactly. He's said that, and said that he dragged the team into a meeting at tea to ask what was going on. If that's not the case, it'll get out.

Sure. KP is a wanker, we can leave it at that.

I don't think Lehmann is a terrible guy or anything like that. He's probably a victim of believing the crap about the magical line and everything more than taking a critical, reflective look at the team's behaviour (and where it's going). But it's his job to be critical and reflective and self-appraise. It's certainly Sutherland's job too...

I do think his responses were quite cowardly.

 

[Redbacks]

I suppose it's a tricky situation. If he takes more responsibility then he should fall on his sword. He's walking fine line to save his own neck no doubt.

 

[howardj]

Bet he was pushed out (or a strong recommendation was made that he finish up) and paid out the final 18 months of his contract

Salvages his reputation, gets his money, and the team is able to reset its moral compass

 

[GIMH]

The real downside to Ponting doing it is losing him from the commentary box. Bloke is quality.

Completely agree

 

[GIMH]

Exactly. He's said that, and said that he dragged the team into a meeting at tea to ask what was going on. If that's not the case, it'll get out.

Has Warner come out and spoken yet? Last I saw he issued that statement saying he’d speak in a couple of days.

I feel like he’ll come out swinging. If I’m going down I’m taking everyone with me...

So if what you say was the case and going to get out maybe that would be when

 

[ankitj]

Lot of tears in that Lehmann press conference. Must be the innocent guy.

 

[andruid]

he he

 

[MagicPoopShovel]

I would like to imagine the walkie-talkie exchange was something along the lines of

DL - Peter, I just looked at my Crypto porfolio and everything is red. Is that bad?

PH - Haha boss man. Chill. It's just a market correction. Moon, Lambo in April mate.

DL - FFS I KNEW I shouldn't have invested in this ****. **** you kids and your new internet money. Can you please go ask Camo how I get this back into real money?

PH - Haha ok bossman.

PH - Yo yo sup Camo. Bossman is tripping cuz he bought the dip and the market's crashed.

CB - Did you tell him moon, lambo in April brah?

PH- Yea brah.

CB - Well he shouldn't sell at a loss. Rule number one. Get me his Hardware wallet, I'll hide it so he can't get online.

A bit of blockchain humor. Very real for some on here I'd imagine.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Has Warner come out and spoken yet? Last I saw he issued that statement saying he’d speak in a couple of days.

I feel like he’ll come out swinging. If I’m going down I’m taking everyone with me...

So if what you say was the case and going to get out maybe that would be when

No, he's speaking tomorrow at 11am Sydney time.

And if Lehmann's not speaking the truth, then it'll come out then.

The other possibility is that he'll say that Lehmann/Smith/others knew that illegal means had been going on in the past, in which case he'll further incriminate himself and others.

 

[duffer]

No, he's speaking tomorrow at 11am Sydney time.

And if Lehmann's not speaking the truth, then it'll come out then.

The other possibility is that he'll say that Lehmann/Smith/others knew that illegal means had been going on in the past, in which case he'll further incriminate himself and others.

What do you expect?

 

[Burgey]

I reckon he’ll just say he stuffed up and he’s sorry, without really showing he means it like the others have.

 

[duffer]

Expecting a burial tbh.

 

[vic_orthdox]

If I were a betting man, I feel like this will get a kick along after Warner's speech. Is Warner another one who goes to Alan Jones for advice?

 

[YorksLanka]

More like,resign before the evidence I was involved is found.. couldn't happen to a nicer guy..not

 

[NZTailender]

I reckon he’ll just say he stuffed up and he’s sorry, without really showing he means it like the others have.

Yeah it's going to be underwhelming. He'll say something prepared by a PR person most likely, and it'll be a bit of an anti-climax