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Daniel Vettori vs Richard Hadlee (batting)

Flem274*

Flem274*

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thierry henry said:
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Don't get your point

I wouldn't question either Vettori or Hadlee's talent with the bat. Vettori at his "prolonged peak" is better than any prolonged peak that Hadlee had though.
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Was meaning that seeing as Hadlee is the God of NZ cricket, his batting gets overhyped a little.
 
thierry henry

thierry henry

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Flem274* said:
Was meaning that seeing as Hadlee is the God of NZ cricket, his batting gets overhyped a little.
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Yeah, true. Although I always thought there was a general acceptance that Hadlee was a talented lower-middle-order hitter but not exactly a first-rate batsman.

As far as I can tell Hadlee was well regarded as far as being a natural ball-striker, but openly admitted (even during his career) that he didn't work on his batting and basically couldn't be bothered. Also, he freely admitted to being hopeless against short-pitched bowling.

Hadlee may have been more the natural, but I think Vettori is well on the way to surpassing him in terms of output.
 
SJS

SJS

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Flem274* said:
Was meaning that seeing as Hadlee is the God of NZ cricket, his batting gets overhyped a little.
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Thats right.

There is nothing wrong in acclaiming the strides Vettori has made as a batsman (though it is still grit and determonation which is his main strength) but he is not a batsman anywhere near the caliber of say, Botham, Kapil or Imran. Hence my point about the limits of Hadlee as a batsman.
 
Flem274*

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I think its confirmed Vettori is a genuine allrounder. Might be a bit knee jerk but I think many suspected that the move from number eight to six would probably make no difference except to give him more time to score runs.
 
HeathDavisSpeed

HeathDavisSpeed

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BoyBrumby said:
I didn't see too much of Sir Richard's test career, but even in his cricketing dotage he looked a far more fluent batsman than Vettori, who sometimes seems to complete quite substantial innings without ever hitting the ball in front of square.
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Like today's innings. When he reached 80, only 8 had been scored between cover-point and midwicket.
 
thierry henry

thierry henry

International Coach
HeathDavisSpeed said:
I certainly don't care a jot, but I do find it very amusing that opposition continue to place 5 or 6 fielders in front of square when they won't see the ball except in throwing it back to the bowler.
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Yeah, I also find it hilarious how Vettori keeps getting right handers out lbw and lefties out caught behind, all waiting for the spin that never comes and hasn't come for about a decade.

Ah well, runs are runs and wickets are wickets, even if Vettori is basically a great big hoax.
 
HeathDavisSpeed

HeathDavisSpeed

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thierry henry said:
Yeah, I also find it hilarious how Vettori keeps getting right handers out lbw and lefties out caught behind, all waiting for the spin that never comes and hasn't come for about a decade.

Ah well, runs are runs and wickets are wickets, even if Vettori is basically a great big hoax.
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:laugh:

Vettori's simply a big joke - but he's the only one who's in on it?
 
thierry henry

thierry henry

International Coach
It's obvious when you think about it.

Dorky bespectacled 18 year old picked for international cricket for no apparent reason. Compiles fine record as a spinner without ever spinning it. Despite obviously being unco, racks up test centuries via bowlers feeding his one shot for 13 years.

It could be the other way around, maybe Vettori is the "victim" of some Truman Show-esque experiment?
 
social

social

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thierry henry said:
It's obvious when you think about it.

Dorky bespectacled 18 year old picked for international cricket for no apparent reason. Compiles fine record as a spinner without ever spinning it. Despite obviously being unco, racks up test centuries via bowlers feeding his one shot for 13 years.

It could be the other way around, maybe Vettori is the "victim" of some Truman Show-esque experiment?
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Used to but his back/hip are ****ed
 
thierry henry

thierry henry

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social said:
Curve, drop, control?

Or are international batsmen just ****?
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imo he gets very little curve. Nathan Hauritz gets more.

Honestly he gets a huge number of wickets from batsmen playing down the wrong line, despite imparting less sideways movement on the ball, both in the air and off the pitch, than almost any specialist spinner I can recall. Almost invariably these batsmen are being beaten on the "wrong" edge for a left-arm orthodox bowler- i.e. the ball has turned less than expected.
 
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