Dale Steyn vs Imran khan

[Xuhaib]

Imran by a whisker and that's coming from a huge Steyn fan.

In fact I am one of the the first here at CW who predicted an ATG career for a Steyn when Goughy and Richard both shared their doubts. I still remember Goughy saying he's too skiddish and not tight enough with his lines to average below 25.

 

[ankitj]

Probably misremembered because it got heated tbf.

Get a room

 

[subshakerz]

Nah no excuses. Marshall and Lillee are still rated in the top tier with Steyn.

So would you rate Lillee ahead of Hadlee too as well as Imran?

 

[subshakerz]

Imran didn't have much competition in that era either. No one else treated the ball with such affection.

All these weak ass excuses on this board to try and deny Imran's obvious achievements. Posters are just vested in not believing he was as great a player he actually was.

Imran a great bowler? Nah, ball tampering and home umpires.

Imran a great all-rounder? Nah, never batted well when he bowled well.

Imran a capable bat? Nah, look at those not-outs.

Imran a great captain? Nah, got lucky with some players and fluked a World Cup victory.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Imran a great Prime Minister?

 

[subshakerz]

Imran a great Prime Minister?

Nah, but lets not go there...

 

[_00_deathscar]

One of the main things I find that stats0obsessed cricket tragics on forums like this tend to underestimate the most is the effect of tight bowling and, conversely, aggressive batting. You can't put a number on the effect a Sehwag innings has on each side or the match in general just by looking at his average and strike rate.

You had subshakerz agreeing with you till you mentioned Sehwag. Now his entire logic has gone out the window and the economy rate no longer matters.

 

[subshakerz]

You had subshakerz agreeing with you till you mentioned Sehwag. Now his entire logic has gone out the window and the economy rate no longer matters.

Sehwag's aggressiveness is definitely to his credit.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

So would you rate Lillee ahead of Hadlee too as well as Imran?

Not Hadlee due to his away record but yes Imran. I’m just using peer rating how you use it in every comparison lol.

 

[subshakerz]

Not Hadlee due to his away but yes Imran. I’m just using peer rating like you do in every comparison lol.

I never said peer rating is the only measure tho.

 

[sunilz]

Why are people bringing home umpiring and ball tampering when SA were accused of ball tampering twice and Imran's overseas record is same as Steyn ?

I am giving it to Steyn because of his Nagpur spell(10/11) on a flat wicket against ATG batting line up and Steyn played in more batting friendly era . Both are very close.

@subshakerz
I blame it on you. Next time there is poll involving Indian vs Australian/England/Kiwi players , please let other posters argue or debate against Indian players. You have taken it on your own to argue against Indian players ( however logical or illogical your arguments may be ) and now this would be getting reflected in any poll involving Pak players

 

[subshakerz]

Playing in a batting era and low SR are not good arguments to me for Steyn. The best argument would be the length of his peak, which was 71 tests for nine years between 2007 and 2015, in which he took 370 wickets@21 and won matches in most locations. Very impressive.

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That is an unusually long time for a high pace bowler to peak with no major injuries, outside of slower seamers like McGrath and Hadlee. Ambrose, Donald, Wasim, Imran, and Marshall had peaks of around 40 to 50 tests. Lillee's career had no trough or peak to be fair.

 

[Xuhaib]

Imran a great Prime Minister?

A great political leader but not a great prime minister.

His political legacy will be much more then being a random prime minister# 34.

 

[subshakerz]

Why are people bringing home umpiring and ball tampering when SA were accused of ball tampering twice and Imran's overseas record is same as Steyn ?

I am giving it to Steyn because of his Nagpur spell(10/11) on a flat wicket against ATG batting line up and Steyn played in more batting friendly era . Both are very close.

@subshakerz
I blame it on you. Next time there is poll involving Indian vs Australian/England/Kiwi players , please let other posters argue or debate against Indian players. You have taken it on your own to argue against Indian players ( however logical or illogical your arguments may be ) and now this would be getting reflected in any poll involving Pak players

It's all worth it.

 

[subshakerz]

A great political leader but not a great prime minister.

His political legacy will be much more then being a random prime minister# 34.

Career still in progress, let's see how he ends up.

 

[ankitj]

Imran a great Prime Minister?

Better than Steyn.

 

[Xuhaib]

Career still in progress, let's see how he ends up.

Yeah I know but I am impressed how he has exposed the army establishment. Everyone knew they were calling the shots but he brought them out in the open where they now have to do press conferences to clarify there position.

 

[subshakerz]

Yeah I know but I am impressed how he has exposed the army establishment. Everyone knew they were calling the shots but he brought them out in the open where they now have to do press conferences to clarify there position.

True, hope he stays safe.

 

[Xuhaib]

True, hope he stays safe.

He will be lucky to see 2023 imo.

 

[subshakerz]

He will be lucky to see 2023 imo.

If that happens, it would be a national tragedy. But I think he has been blessed with a lot of good luck.