CWXI Cricket

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Carl Hooper wasn't dictated to by retirement.

 

[lord_of_darkness]

By defending myself against harsh accusations of conspiracy and ulterior motives I'm doing something wrong? Am I supposed to sit down and say it was my fault when it isn't? Besides, I've made it abundantly clear that if people think I'm doing a poor job and believe Marc's accusations, I'll willingly go to trial and ultimately step down if they are proven to be true

Okay let me add to that.. Liam was accused wrongly of conspirarcy by tampering with the sim and not taking things as said.. But given the amount of work and the limitations... Hes has done a tremendous amount of good work and we are under appreciating that..
We have done as much as we can when simming to take all the requests.. but given the limitation of the software etc.. Things dont go the exactly the way we want to either.. Ofcourse it wouldnt we arent dealing with a real life situation here..
But unless people could back the fact up of liam conspiracies please do so... but being a key witness in this matter.. this is as straight as it can get..

Like a vote in Nikhil's case might be worthwhile. For issues concerning the whole team and stuff like that "the whole team" should be emailed or spoken to. Not just one decision maker making all the decisions.

Since the captain has a lot to say in influencing those decisions.. they should make it their priority to communicate with the team before putting their inputs onto the selection panel meetings..

One decision-maker is not making all the decisions. The only thing that Reuben and I decide upon without consulting others in the system is the match schedules. Indeed, even the Dev League format is discussed during the offseason with experienced players having a say.

Just as Liam said we havent gone into making any decisions on our own.. At this period of time only very minor things such as Shedules , Sponsorship are handled by the board..

You often talk about issues to the board and they "point blank refuse" you or override you though. All I'm asking for is a bit more leniance and a bit've negotiation instead of being made feel like a criminal.

Its not the case , as some people have suggested here we are on MSN more often than not and both liam and me have email addresses.. feel free to talk about things.. we have never shun down anyone regarding communication..

 

[lord_of_darkness]

Can we make it a rule that when you retire you cannot come out of retirement?

Thanks for the suggestion Mr P.. we are looking into various other things come the new season.. and that is certainly a good point brought forward for discussion..

 

[lord_of_darkness]

yeah i see where ur coming from andre. I particularly like the idea of a board being established with people elected and stuff like that.

It'd make it a much more "open" situation. At the moment everytime someone has a mild comment they're made to feel like Satin. They're told how much work Liam does and everything and we should just shut up and be grateful. Sure we understand he does a lot of work and we're all grateful... but one shouldn't be thrown up against a wall simply for making a suggestion.

this is where the elected board would be a very goood idea i feel... it'd really make it a lot fairer and we could all talk what's on our minds

Its a lot kinda like the structure of WCC.. Where blewy remains the head and rich is 2nd under him.. instead here we have the Board which has liam and me ..
And ofcourse we have the SELECTION PANEL which was brought in as a result of the rebel tour.. Now the board doesnt solely make an decision regarding selections etc.. and we communicate our ideas regarding other issues.. like said in my previous post we have only take minor decisions now and handle the simming of the games etc.. ( again just like blewy would for WCC ) Now we arent asking for a re election if someone disagrees with something there? How good would someone new be?
So i cant see why the board is being made a scapegoat here.. we have the selection panel to represent the people and for people to get elected and help voice concerns and be involved in the decisions..

 

[marc71178]

Can we make it a rule that when you retire you cannot come out of retirement? I just reckon its more realistic that way, and brings in new people...

It is, but some people seem to want to flit in and out - next time he gets told to get lost, he'll announce his retirement, then 6 weeks later will say he's revoking it.

 

[Andre]

By defending myself against harsh accusations of conspiracy and ulterior motives I'm doing something wrong? Am I supposed to sit down and say it was my fault when it isn't? Besides, I've made it abundantly clear that if people think I'm doing a poor job and believe Marc's accusations, I'll willingly go to trial and ultimately step down if they are proven to be true.

That those accusations should or shouldn't have been made is irrelevant. It's more the fact that you won't budge on it at all and hear people out that makes it difficult...

While the conspiracies aren't there I agree, but the fact is, if a captain takes something up with the board their point should be considered rather than completely dismissed, which it was.

Don't get me wrong - you do a fine jon and the sim is well organised - but listening to the people surely can't hurt, and discussing things rather than defending everything. The basis of this all is that the players have the power as it is their sim - but as it grows and grows their voice is lost or simply ignored. Nothing against the players rep either, because his role isn't used properly - most players wouldn't have a clue that is is Hakon. Things are becoming more and more difficult to get across with just the 2 board members, and if we expanded the board the viewpoint would be far more balanced and the system far more approachable in my humble opinion.

 

[Loony BoB]

That those accusations should or shouldn't have been made is irrelevant. It's more the fact that you won't budge on it at all and hear people out that makes it difficult...

While the conspiracies aren't there I agree, but the fact is, if a captain takes something up with the board their point should be considered rather than completely dismissed, which it was.

Don't get me wrong - you do a fine jon and the sim is well organised - but listening to the people surely can't hurt, and discussing things rather than defending everything. The basis of this all is that the players have the power as it is their sim - but as it grows and grows their voice is lost or simply ignored. Nothing against the players rep either, because his role isn't used properly - most players wouldn't have a clue that is is Hakon. Things are becoming more and more difficult to get across with just the 2 board members, and if we expanded the board the viewpoint would be far more balanced and the system far more approachable in my humble opinion.

Has there been anything aside from the suggestion of conspiracy that wasn't discussed with the members? Looking in the player's association and the dev league, it looks like the players are quite involved in offering ideas and whatnot. Even in the real world, though, when accused of conspiracy, people are expected to dismiss such things, particularly when no reasoning is given...? I think that there has been one little misunderstanding in this while everything else has been going quite smoothly and it shouldn't be stated as fact that they're not listening to members when they're showing that they are in all but on case.

Of course I might be wrong, but it is just the one thing that I can find that wasn't discussed.

And just to confirm what you were saying, I don't even know who Hakon is, let alone that he was our rep! As for expanding, I agree, as said in another thread.

 

[AUST_HiTMaN]

Hakon = Samuel Vimes, that help?

 

[Loony BoB]

It does indeed, thanks mate.

 

[lord_of_darkness]

Strong words there Loony Bob.. Well said mate Well Said.. By the way Hakon is Samuel Vimes's real name..

And Andre strong points made as usual mate , ofcourse.

if a captain takes something up with the board their point should be considered rather than completely dismissed, which it was.

The board or liam hasnt dismissed anytime anyone has come up with something to the board though Andre including the captain.. If you are talking about the case relating to liams "sim conspiracy" , he already has given his side of the issue With facts and evidence, and he hasnt dismissed marc at all yet is waiting on marc to give evidence based on the conspiracy claim.
Thats fair too i think, then the discussion becomes a lot more clear and can proceed.

Like stated we are open for communication at all times.. And ofcourse if there might be the slightest difficulty reaching the board, there is yourself, who could bring on the matter to us being on the Selection Panel and ofcourse the Players Representative Hakon/Sam Vimes.. who was basically created for the purpose so the players could have a voice and if even though the board is doing the best to hear everything and everyone it is possible by human nature to miss out the slighest of things, and the Players Rep is there to pick this up and ofcourse voice it over to us....

So saying this..

Things are becoming more and more difficult to get across with just the 2 board members, and if we expanded the board the viewpoint would be far more balanced

Sounds a bit unfair as we have said time and time again that we are open for communication and as stated before the representatives are there for the help and play an active role ofcourse.. The board would certainly not shun any opinions.

Dont quote me on this but come new season since Sam Vimes seems a bit busy there might be an election for a new players representative and a temporary board member based on voting and a season term. Just something to ponder about at the meeting and discuss...

Plus rather i would like to see the Players Rep utilized a bit more before we consider "adding more cooks to prepare the broth"

Reuben
CWBCC

 

[Slats4ever]

In reference to the board always being open to cases and stuff and we can always email u guys. I have had experiences where I emailed u and my suggestions weren't taken into account. they were acted upon without even notifying me.

 

[lord_of_darkness]

In reference to the board always being open to cases and stuff and we can always email u guys. I have had experiences where I emailed u and my suggestions weren't taken into account. they were acted upon without even notifying me.

A poor excuse slats my friend.. firstly are you sure you sent it to reuben@globe.net.nz & bugs@tstt.net.tt ?
perhaps you could have cc'ed it to our hotmail addresses if you got a message saying it couldnt reach or pop3 addressess.
Secondly im on Msn messenger as much as i could be , and we have had many a conversation, you could have easily brought it up then or mailed me to try and arrange a time to talk about your concern/suggestions..
Please tell me if you have received a mail from us implying your suggestions werent taken into account , and im sorry if we did , but if not it is a case that we certainly havent received it , because i can assure you and liam can tell you this aswell we always bring in everything to discussion and we certainly would have not overlooked yours..

 

[Slats4ever]

i emailed it to liam at the above address "my friend"

I'll email it to you if you want mate just so you can see the correspondence... would u like that?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

In reference to the board always being open to cases and stuff and we can always email u guys. I have had experiences where I emailed u and my suggestions weren't taken into account. they were acted upon without even notifying me.

It was hardly instances Ian and you weren't exactly a saint to go off running the Reds on your own either. You should have consulted with others.

Marc himself said that he would play Steds over Andre for obvious reasons. Andre stated that he doesn't want to be taking playing time from the younger players and for good reason. Andre can't get selected to the XI, Steds can!

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

While the conspiracies aren't there I agree, but the fact is, if a captain takes something up with the board their point should be considered rather than completely dismissed, which it was.

Believe me, there has been a whole lot of discussion on this issue already. Marc and I were in conflict over it via email a few weeks back, so it hasn't been dismissed.

 

[steds]

Could we please stop the fighting and get back to simming matches?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

i emailed it to liam at the above address "my friend"

I'll email it to you if you want mate just so you can see the correspondence... would u like that?

That won't be necessary. I've already sent it through.

 

[Slats4ever]

It was hardly instances Ian and you weren't exactly a saint to go off running the Reds on your own either. You should have consulted with others.

Marc himself said that he would play Steds over Andre for obvious reasons. Andre stated that he doesn't want to be taking playing time from the younger players and for good reason. Andre can't get selected to the XI, Steds can!

Talk to Dave and Mr W... oh and Andre... People in the same time zone as me. It makes it a lot easier to talk on MSN...

If you call running it on your own talking to these three people it's a bit weird.

 

[bugssy]

i think i will stay out of this and just play the cricket we all enjoy to be apart off. come on guys!

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Talk to Dave and Mr W... oh and Andre... People in the same time zone as me. It makes it a lot easier to talk on MSN...

If you call running it on your own talking to these three people it's a bit weird.

The impression that I got from Dave and Marc at least is that you initially talked to them and then started to leave them out of the process. They'll correct me if I've misunderstood.