I wasn't disputing their keeping at all, just saying they weren't quite in the same league as batsmen as Gilchrist, de Kock, Dhoni etc.Jayawardane's keeping was best at his era. So definietly yes. Averaged 30 with the bat, so a keeper who could bat. Moin's heroics mainly was in ODIs, but he was a good keeper. not as good as Latif though.
Koch and Dhoni are not elite with keeping abilities. Healy, Knott, Jayawardene, Latif, Saha, Marsh, Dujon are the pure top echelon keepers who were able to useful with the bat. Gilly is probably in between, very good with the gloves, ATG with the bat.I wasn't disputing their keeping at all, just saying they weren't quite in the same league as batsmen as Gilchrist, de Kock, Dhoni etc.
That has nothing to do with what I said, but yeah okKoch and Dhoni are not elite with keeping abilities. Healy, Knott, Jayawardene, Latif, Saha, Marsh, Dujon are the pure top echelon keepers who were able to useful with the bat. Gilly is probably in between, very good with the gloves, ATG with the bat.
Sanga, Flower, Tillakaratne, Stewart all are batsmen who kept.Sanga
2nd best asian wk batsman after Dhoni.Sanga
And Ian Smith, Adam Parore, and Brendon McCullum. NZ has had a good run with keepers. At the moment Blundell is a bit sloppy with his foot movement and gloves, but he can improve.Kiran More was another, superb with the gloves, useful with the bat.
I agree. Will vote for him next after Watling. Gilchrist, Knott, Watling, Engineer is a decent top 4.Farokh Engineer was a better keeper than many of those mentioned so far, and averaged over 30 with the bat with a couple of centuries and multiple 50’s.
Yeah, Heals is right up there - top five for me I reckon, I'll be voting for him very soon.As usual Ian Healy is ignored completely when we come to polls, better keeper than all, bar Knott, made vital 100s
I assume you saw a bit of Engineer? I know there are a few people here who saw him and rate him very highly - I had always thought it was commonly accepted that Kirmani was the greatest Indian gloveman, but it seems that those who saw Engineer in action don't necessarily agree.Farokh Engineer was a better keeper than many of those mentioned so far, and averaged over 30 with the bat with a couple of centuries and multiple 50’s.
My dad has always been a bit of a Kirmani hater. Thinks he was decent but his glovework was massively overrated and sloppy.Yeah, Heals is right up there - top five for me I reckon, I'll be voting for him very soon.
I assume you saw a bit of Engineer? I know there are a few people here who saw him and rate him very highly - I had always thought it was commonly accepted that Kirmani was the greatest Indian gloveman, but it seems that those who saw Engineer in action don't necessarily agree.
I saw quite a lot of Engineer on two tours of England and he played for Lancashire at a time when they were very successful and on TV a lot due to their One-Day success. Kirmani I can barely remember seeing at all. He wasn't on the 79 tour of England and in those days we didn't see overseas cricket on TV at all. I would have seen Kirmani on the 82 tour, but that's all. If people who saw more of him say he was the best I wouldn't be able to dispute it.I assume you saw a bit of Engineer? I know there are a few people here who saw him and rate him very highly - I had always thought it was commonly accepted that Kirmani was the greatest Indian gloveman, but it seems that those who saw Engineer in action don't necessarily agree.