honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
seems a fair reflection of performances over the last couple of years, to me... A gr8 ratings system, if I haven't said that already...
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CW Test Rankings - Updated Jan 2012
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silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
It's Neil's.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
yeah, credit to him and also to you for having taken up the baton now and updating these every once in a while.It's Neil's.
These are there on the CW front page, right? If not, it should be.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Absolutely no way on Earth do England currently deserve to be number-two.
biased indian
International Coach
why we need to have a drawn series in Aus..while every other team get thrashed there and still hold on to thier previous spots....
is it becuse we had drawn there last time and a worse performance will result in more points being deducted ?????
is it becuse we had drawn there last time and a worse performance will result in more points being deducted ?????
stephen
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If you're thrashed in a series your rating will go down.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Exactly. Our rating right now is "artificially" high because we managed to actually draw in Australia while everyone else is getting demolished out of sight. And the second best team just got completely destroyed 5-0, so that makes our 1-1 draw even more astonishing. However, once India tour Australia again, that 1-1 will be replaced by whatever India do this time and anything less than a draw will obviously see them falling. And since that 1-1 is worth so much right now, a demolition by Australia will see us drop quite significantly.
Neil Pickup
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The problem here is that no-one else does, either.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Exactly, no one else really has been all that convincing. SA lost a Test at home for the first time against India - and then they went and won in Pakistan which catapaulted them - but they still dodn't win all that much away. India benefitted from that win in England, but their win in WI wasn't that convincing as far as the ratings went and they blew a 1-0 lead in SA.
So really, no one has made a case and England had such a fantastic 3-4 years before the downturn that it is enough for them to cling to the lead. It's no longer a big lead, but it still means their noses are out in front. And England still travel pretty well - they beat SA, they tied in India, etc.
Richard
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England had no more than a fantastic 18 months, between March 2004 and September 2005.
People often overstate the length of time England were good for, because of how gloriously good they were in that time.
It's easy to forget that in most of 2001, all of 2002 and all of 2003 we were pretty God-damn awful more often than not and were (especially in bowling) possessed of very little in the way of class, and that in 2005\06 and 2006 we failed to beat Pakistan and, worse, Sri Lanka at home, both series we should have won.
People often overstate the length of time England were good for, because of how gloriously good they were in that time.
It's easy to forget that in most of 2001, all of 2002 and all of 2003 we were pretty God-damn awful more often than not and were (especially in bowling) possessed of very little in the way of class, and that in 2005\06 and 2006 we failed to beat Pakistan and, worse, Sri Lanka at home, both series we should have won.
Neil Pickup
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Er, is the 530 points not enough daylight?
Neil Pickup
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That's bloody stupid.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
Well for differences of over 300, I can manually put the word 'daylight' there if you want...
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
What is? The fact that you can't have a "daylight" in the #2 slot? Or the fact that no-one has any right to be called "2nd-best-in-The-World"?
Athlai
Not Terrible
The former, yet replace "The fact you can't have" with "the fact I want a".
Did someone think I was being serious?
Jamee999
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2nd in the World doesn't make a team good. It makes them the 2nd best team in the world. It's not like the statement "good" or "quality". If there're 2 or more teams playing cricket in the world, one of them has to be the 2nd best in the world. I remember a debate like this in the past, where you said that X (can't remember who OTTOMH) wasn't good enough to be the best batsmen in the world, even though there was no-one better. Can't remember the exact details, as I said, but it's just a fact.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
The fact of the matter is that there's no case for England or South Africa or India being ahead of one another.
Forget the fact it's 2nd-best; as I said earlier, it could be 5th-best for all I care. These three sides, for all intents and purposes, are on an even footing.
Forget the fact it's 2nd-best; as I said earlier, it could be 5th-best for all I care. These three sides, for all intents and purposes, are on an even footing.