SuperMurali
School Boy/Girl Captain
Its a judgement call. not everyone will have the same opinion. I can say that Murali is better than Warnie, but some people will still pick the drug cheating fatso ahead of Murali
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Cricketweb's twenty greatest ODI players of all time
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kingkallis
International Coach
My 20
Viv Richards
Jacques Kallis
Shaun Pollock
Sanath Jayasuriya
Wasim Akram
MS Dhoni
AB de Villiers
Sachin Tendulkar
Andrew Flintoff
Kumar Sangakkara
Adam Gilchrist
Lance Klusener
Imran Khan
Andrew Symonds
Richard Hadlee
Kapil Dev
Saurav Ganguly
Chris Cairns
Aravinda de Silva
Saqlain Mushtaq
Viv Richards
Jacques Kallis
Shaun Pollock
Sanath Jayasuriya
Wasim Akram
MS Dhoni
AB de Villiers
Sachin Tendulkar
Andrew Flintoff
Kumar Sangakkara
Adam Gilchrist
Lance Klusener
Imran Khan
Andrew Symonds
Richard Hadlee
Kapil Dev
Saurav Ganguly
Chris Cairns
Aravinda de Silva
Saqlain Mushtaq
Red
The normal awards that everyone else has
BigBrother
U19 12th Man
People shouldn't be throwing tantrums about the inclusion of Kallis as one of the great players then. A high average accompanied by a low strike rate is hardly something that's unheard of in any era.
Even then for me particularly, I put a lot of weight into quantity of games played (which I'm assuming most people here don't) and as past players played nowhere near the amount as the modern era batsmen, you kind of have to have to look at their first-class/list-a record to get an idea of how they stand up to the modern player, despite the obvious drop in quality between the two.
As I thought, Greeidge's average drops off significantly in List-A cricket to 40.56. Unless that's something that's also accompanied by say a Tendulkar type SR (which I highly doubt), his international record along with a lot of other past players are misleading.
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BigBrother
U19 12th Man
Do you realize resorting to trolling only hinders your prospects of getting any respect in this forum later on?
OverratedSanity
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Definitely more common in the 70s and 80s though, when the ODI game was very very different to the 90s and 2000s.
SuperMurali
School Boy/Girl Captain
if Murali chucked the ball then so did 90% of all the other players
cnerd123
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OMG Red Hill plz don't tell me you're in the 'Murali is a Chucker' camp.
andmark
International Captain
That is a ridiculous post which belongs on YouTube.
watson
Banned
I was going to use Red Hill's system but it required too much maths for me. So the points are awarded to each player according to their nominated ranking. That is, 1st place equals 20 points, 2nd place equals 19 points............20th place equals 1 point.
Interestingly the Top 10 or 11 seem reasonably cut n' dried to me with Michael Bevan being the last player to break the 200 point barrier. Richards, Tendulkar, and Wasim are light-years ahead of everyone else. It would be interesting to see whether Red Hill's system changes the order or not.
01. Viv Richards = 473
02. Sachin Tendulkar = 435
03. Wasim Akram = 402
04. Glenn McGrath = 287
05. MS Dhoni = 263
06. Joel Garner = 261
07. Adam Gilchrist = 260
07. Muttiah Muralitharan = 260
09. AB De Villiers = 259
10. Ricky Ponting = 237
11. Michael Bevan = 201
12. Sanath Jayasuriya = 189
13. Shaun Pollock = 175
14. Jacques Kallis = 135
15. Lance Klusener = 125
16. Kapil Dev = 99
17. Dean Jones = 90
18. Waqar Younis = 68
19. Virat Kohli = 65
20. Imran Khan = 57
20. Saqlain Mushtaq = 57
22. Allan Donald = 56
23. Richard Hadlee = 48
24. Brian Lara = 45
24. Kumah Sangakkara = 45
26. Andrew Flintoff = 36
27. Hasim Amla = 33
28. Brett Lee = 30
29. Zaheer Abbas = 27
30. Andrew Symonds = 26
30. Martin Crowe = 26
32. Michael Hussey = 25
33. Mark Waugh = 24
34. Chaminda Vaas = 22
35. Daniel Vettori = 14
36. Surav Ganguly = 13
37. Curtly Ambrose = 12
38. Matthew Hayden = 11
38. Nathan Astle = 11
40. Aravinda De Silva = 10
40. Chris Cairns = 10
42. Shane Bond = 9
42. Nathan Bracken = 9
44. Simon O'Donnell = 8
45. Javed Miandad = 6
45. Inzamam ul-Haq = 6
47. Chris Harris = 5
48. Gordon Greenidge = 4
48. Lasith Malinga = 4
48. Bruce Reid = 4
48. Shane Warne = 4
52. Yuvraj Singh = 3
52. Desmond Haynes = 3
54. Greg Chappell = 2
54. Lance Cairns = 2
56: Richard Reid = 1
56. Rohit Sharma = 1
56. Damien Martyn = 1
56. Mitchell Starc = 1
Note: Sorry Nate, but I left your nominations out because Nathan Braken at No.1, no Viv Richards etc was a bit iffy.
I reckon that if I were to make a favourite XI (balanced) based on the above results then it would probably look like this;
01. Sachin Tendulkar
02. Sanath Jayasuriya
03. Ricky Ponting
04. Viv Richards
05. AB De Villiers
06. MS Dhoni
07. Shaun Pollock
08. Wasim Akram
09. Joel Garner
10. Muttiah Muralitharan
11. Glenn McGrath
Interestingly the Top 10 or 11 seem reasonably cut n' dried to me with Michael Bevan being the last player to break the 200 point barrier. Richards, Tendulkar, and Wasim are light-years ahead of everyone else. It would be interesting to see whether Red Hill's system changes the order or not.
01. Viv Richards = 473
02. Sachin Tendulkar = 435
03. Wasim Akram = 402
04. Glenn McGrath = 287
05. MS Dhoni = 263
06. Joel Garner = 261
07. Adam Gilchrist = 260
07. Muttiah Muralitharan = 260
09. AB De Villiers = 259
10. Ricky Ponting = 237
11. Michael Bevan = 201
12. Sanath Jayasuriya = 189
13. Shaun Pollock = 175
14. Jacques Kallis = 135
15. Lance Klusener = 125
16. Kapil Dev = 99
17. Dean Jones = 90
18. Waqar Younis = 68
19. Virat Kohli = 65
20. Imran Khan = 57
20. Saqlain Mushtaq = 57
22. Allan Donald = 56
23. Richard Hadlee = 48
24. Brian Lara = 45
24. Kumah Sangakkara = 45
26. Andrew Flintoff = 36
27. Hasim Amla = 33
28. Brett Lee = 30
29. Zaheer Abbas = 27
30. Andrew Symonds = 26
30. Martin Crowe = 26
32. Michael Hussey = 25
33. Mark Waugh = 24
34. Chaminda Vaas = 22
35. Daniel Vettori = 14
36. Surav Ganguly = 13
37. Curtly Ambrose = 12
38. Matthew Hayden = 11
38. Nathan Astle = 11
40. Aravinda De Silva = 10
40. Chris Cairns = 10
42. Shane Bond = 9
42. Nathan Bracken = 9
44. Simon O'Donnell = 8
45. Javed Miandad = 6
45. Inzamam ul-Haq = 6
47. Chris Harris = 5
48. Gordon Greenidge = 4
48. Lasith Malinga = 4
48. Bruce Reid = 4
48. Shane Warne = 4
52. Yuvraj Singh = 3
52. Desmond Haynes = 3
54. Greg Chappell = 2
54. Lance Cairns = 2
56: Richard Reid = 1
56. Rohit Sharma = 1
56. Damien Martyn = 1
56. Mitchell Starc = 1
Note: Sorry Nate, but I left your nominations out because Nathan Braken at No.1, no Viv Richards etc was a bit iffy.
I reckon that if I were to make a favourite XI (balanced) based on the above results then it would probably look like this;
01. Sachin Tendulkar
02. Sanath Jayasuriya
03. Ricky Ponting
04. Viv Richards
05. AB De Villiers
06. MS Dhoni
07. Shaun Pollock
08. Wasim Akram
09. Joel Garner
10. Muttiah Muralitharan
11. Glenn McGrath
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NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
Imo you could make an XI with that first 11. Just have Bevan and Sachin share 5th bowling duty
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
You have a right to be aggrieved.So opinions are only valid if you agree with them?
In the past my votes have counted when I have named a personal fav as number 1.
Red
The normal awards that everyone else has
I will. Any last minute voters/forum newcomers wanna vote before I do?
Hurricane
Hall of Fame Member
This a travesty that Dean Jones only got 90 points. As mentioned I could make a case that he was more valuable than Viv because he showed up more often even if Viv was ten times more destructive.
Red
The normal awards that everyone else has
The earlier pioneers of ODI cricket are in danger of being forgotten by the modern power players with the bat technology shorter boundaries etc etc all helping them.
I don't like Dean Jones much, but as a kid I loved Deano the ODI batsman, he was truly a few years ahead of his time in a lot of aspects of ODI batting.