Cricket's most over rated players

[OverratedSanity]

Average in wins literally goes up the more you downhill ski tbh. Gavaskar WAG.

 

[ma1978]

Not saying it should count, but had India won the Oval Test of 1979, which they drew by 10 runs and 3 wickets remaining; his average rises to 48.59. But yeah, his best came in a lot of tough draws and losses (especially the latter against Pakistan).

it’s precisely the Oval Test that drives my view that Gavaskar may be less than the sum of his stats. I would much rather India had gone for the win which he was more than capable of doing and risked the loss.

Im not saying he’s bad or not an ATG just not a top 10 bat.

 

[capt_Luffy]

it’s precisely the Oval Test that drives my view that Gavaskar may be less than the sum of his stats. I would much rather India had gone for the win which he was more than capable of doing and risked the loss.

Im not saying he’s bad or not an ATG just not a top 10 bat.

And I can't really comprehend honestly..... India were chasing 442, in 5th day in England; it's the exact kind of situation you close shop and defend. And as it worked out, if anything; the batsman batting alongside Gavaskar should had tried to score quicker. His wicket was way too precious to loose in that match any cheaper.
I don't agree with the notion that all bats should bat faster. If anything, I want my openers to play as many deliveries as possible and remove the shine. He is as much a Top 10 bat as Viv.

 

[ma1978]

And I can't really comprehend honestly..... India were chasing 442, in 5th day in England; it's the exact kind of situation you close shop and defend. And as it worked out, if anything; the batsman batting alongside Gavaskar should had tried to score quicker. His wicket was way too precious to loose in that match any cheaper.
I don't agree with the notion that all bats should bat faster. If anything, I want my openers to play as many deliveries as possible and remove the shine. He is as much a Top 10 bat as Viv.

he pkayed India to place they could win (which reflects on his quality) and chose not to try (which diminishes his greatness). He was a brilliant player at a time when honourable mediocrity was an acceptable standard for the Indian cricket team, and did much to propagate that position. That takes away from Gavaskar as a player for me.

 

[capt_Luffy]

he pkayed India to place they could win (which reflects on his quality) and chose not to try (which diminishes his greatness). He was a brilliant player at a time when honourable mediocrity was an acceptable standard for the Indian cricket team, and did much to propagate that position. That takes away from Gavaskar as a player for me.

I think it was more he couldn't afford to try anymore. Kapil tried, Vishy tried, Yashpaal Sharma tried, heck even Venkatraghavan tried; and India lost all of them cheaply. A 30 run cameo from one of then, which they all were capable of playing, would had turned the match. It wasn't even that he was not out, his wicket was the 4th to fall. When he was on the crease, Kapil and Sharma were trying. As I said, with context that everyone else tried and failed; and had he failed any sooner, India would had lost the match. He was no Viv, who would had won the match from a similar situation; but Viv was also not Gavaskar, who could took that match to that draw.
And which 2 batsmen do you think should be ahead of Sunny in the Top 10 anyway?? Hammond? Headley? Ponting???

 

[Coronis]

I think it was more he couldn't afford to try anymore. Kapil tried, Vishy tried, Yashpaal Sharma tried, heck even Venkatraghavan tried; and India lost all of them cheaply. A 30 run cameo from one of then, which they all were capable of playing, would had turned the match. It wasn't even that he was not out, his wicket was the 4th to fall. When he was on the crease, Kapil and Sharma were trying. As I said, with context that everyone else tried and failed; and had he failed any sooner, India would had lost the match. He was no Viv, who would had won the match from a similar situation; but Viv was also not Gavaskar, who could took that match to that draw.
And which 2 batsmen do you think should be ahead of Sunny in the Top 10 anyway?? Hammond? Headley? Ponting???

Or would he?

 

[ma1978]

I think it was more he couldn't afford to try anymore. Kapil tried, Vishy tried, Yashpaal Sharma tried, heck even Venkatraghavan tried; and India lost all of them cheaply. A 30 run cameo from one of then, which they all were capable of playing, would had turned the match. It wasn't even that he was not out, his wicket was the 4th to fall. When he was on the crease, Kapil and Sharma were trying. As I said, with context that everyone else tried and failed; and had he failed any sooner, India would had lost the match. He was no Viv, who would had won the match from a similar situation; but Viv was also not Gavaskar, who could took that match to that draw.
And which 2 batsmen do you think should be ahead of Sunny in the Top 10 anyway?? Hammond? Headley? Ponting???

I would probably have them all above Gavaskar. Dravid too, but I rate Dravid a lot higher than others precisely because of his iconic match winning innings - Headingley, Adelaide, Rawalpindi, Eden Gardens

 

[capt_Luffy]

I would probably have them all above Gavaskar. Dravid too, but I rate Dravid a lot higher than others precisely because of his iconic match winning innings - Headingley, Adelaide, Rawalpindi, Eden Gardens

Nahhhhhhhhh..... I have Sunny over Viv, we differ too much here.

 

[ma1978]

Nahhhhhhhhh..... I have Sunny over Viv, we differ too much here.

not even close for me

 

[AndrewB]

he pkayed India to place they could win (which reflects on his quality) and chose not to try (which diminishes his greatness). He was a brilliant player at a time when honourable mediocrity was an acceptable standard for the Indian cricket team, and did much to propagate that position. That takes away from Gavaskar as a player for me.

I don't get where you're getting "he chose not to try" from - when he was out to make it 389-4, he'd scored 221, the other batters had scored 141 (and that's despite Chauhan not being far behind him at the end of Day 4, when they probably weren't even thinking about going for the win). After tea on Day 5 he was scoring at about 5 an over, which was the rate they needed to score at; the required rate had gone up to over 6 because his partners weren't scoring fast enough. Even his dismissal was caught at mid-on trying to push the scoring on.

Incidentally, if India had won this Test it boosts his average in wins to 47.62, not to 48.59 - his first innings of 13 pulls it down a bit.

 

[ma1978]

I don't get where you're getting "he chose not to try" from - when he was out to make it 389-4, he'd scored 221, the other batters had scored 141 (and that's despite Chauhan not being far behind him at the end of Day 4, when they probably weren't even thinking about going for the win). After tea on Day 5 he was scoring at about 5 an over, which was the rate they needed to score at; the required rate had gone up to over 6 because his partners weren't scoring fast enough. Even his dismissal was caught at mid-on trying to push the scoring on.

Incidentally, if India had won this Test it boosts his average in wins to 47.62, not to 48.59 - his first innings of 13 pulls it down a bit.

I would have liked to have seen a more positive approach earlier but that’s splitting hairs, no doubt it was a brilliant innings. There was just a general atmosphere around Indian cricket those days that a draw was as good as a win.

We’re just arguing degree here, and I feel Gavaskar is a bit overrated and someone like Sehwag who created many memorable wins underrated.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I would have liked to have seen a more positive approach earlier but that’s splitting hairs, no doubt it was a brilliant innings. There was just a general atmosphere around Indian cricket those days that a draw was as good as a win.

We’re just arguing degree here, and I feel Gavaskar is a bit overrated and someone like Sehwag who created many memorable wins underrated.

Then we can agree to disagree here I believe. I think both of them are around perfectly rated; and if anything Sunny a bit underrated and Sehwag a little overrated.