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archie mac

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KaZoH0lic said:
I'm still wondering how Flintoff got Man of the Series in the Ashes over Warne. He was great...but Warne...

Flintoff:

Runs: 402 at 40.2
Wickets: 24 at 27.29

Warne:

Runs: 249 at 27.66
Wickets: 40 at 19.92

:laugh:
Cold figures, don't always tell the truth. Neil was also going to make Freddie player of the year last year :ph34r:
 

James

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benchmark00 said:
Yeah i think that's the main thing. Perhaps with those sorts of thing the author should mention the criteria he's used to choose this player. I'm sure Neil's got a good reason but maybe he should mention how he's came to this decision, apart from the article itself.
Another good point, and one I agree with.
 

Magrat Garlick

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KaZoH0lic said:
I'm still wondering how Flintoff got Man of the Series in the Ashes over Warne. He was great...but Warne...

Flintoff:

Runs: 402 at 40.2
Wickets: 24 at 27.29

Warne:

Runs: 249 at 27.66
Wickets: 40 at 19.92

:laugh:
England 2
Australia 1

:happy:
 

Neil Pickup

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KaZoH0lic said:
I'm still wondering how Flintoff got Man of the Series in the Ashes over Warne. He was great...but Warne...

Flintoff:

Runs: 402 at 40.2
Wickets: 24 at 27.29

Warne:

Runs: 249 at 27.66
Wickets: 40 at 19.92

:laugh:
Same reason he got Wisden's Cricketer of the Year... we won.

And yeah, Flintoff in March was down to dragging the team through India to a result that no-one dreamed possible. I know this is harsh on Ponting, but I'm expecting the guy to score 150 runs per Test at the moment - so he has to do more than that to really impress!
 

Neil Pickup

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benchmark00 said:
Yeah i think that's the main thing. Perhaps with those sorts of thing the author should mention the criteria he's used to choose this player. I'm sure Neil's got a good reason but maybe he should mention how he's came to this decision, apart from the article itself.
I thought that I did...
me said:
Nonetheless, It wouldn't take a Nostradamus - or even a Tony Greig - to make a respectable stab at foreseeing most of the above events. Player of the Month is about breaking the mould, creating the unexpected and dictating the terms. It might have happened in a session, or for a day, across the cricketing world, but in India, it happened for a whole series.
 

benchmark00

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Neil Pickup said:
I thought that I did...
See the last 5 words of my post.



You can't not give it to ponting because you 'expect him to do well'.

For christ sake, Flintoff got named the best cricketer in the world, do you not expect him to do well?
 

Neil Pickup

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benchmark00 said:
See the last 5 words of my post.



You can't not give it to ponting because you 'expect him to do well'.

For christ sake, Flintoff got named the best cricketer in the world, do you not expect him to do well?
My criteria has always been game-breaking performances, or better-than-expected. Flintoff's award was based pretty much on his captaincy, which was a revelation, as well as the fact that in India last time he averaged 5.20.
 

benchmark00

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Neil Pickup said:
My criteria has always been game-breaking performances, or better-than-expected. Flintoff's award was based pretty much on his captaincy, which was a revelation, as well as the fact that in India last time he averaged 5.20.
Ok, I respect your decision (that's not to say i agree with it). I'm glad you took the time to reply.
 

a massive zebra

International Captain
So on that basis, for the last 15 or so years of his career, Bradman could not have been the cricketer of the year because he "was expected to do well." :laugh:

Surely the cricketer of the year is the one who performs best during the relevant period, irrespective of expectations.
 
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Neil Pickup

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a massive zebra said:
So on that basis, for the last 15 or so years of his career, Bradman could not have been the cricketer of the year because he "was expected to do well." :laugh:
Cricketer of the Year != Cricket Web Player of the Month
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
benchmark00 said:
Ok, I respect your decision (that's not to say i agree with it). I'm glad you took the time to reply.
That's why we have a feedback thread - and for what it's worth, I'd have given it to Ponting too.
 

FaaipDeOiad

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I think, without having watched the series and judging mainly on comments, that Flintoff's performance in India wasn't quite on the Ashes level individually. He obviously batted very well and his bowling was pretty good to, but he didn't take a huge number of wickets or make any really big scores, it was just consistent rather than brilliant. Ponting on the other hand has been carrying Australia's batting recently, and he played two tests in March, one of which was on a seamer and he made 74, and the other had a century in each innings. And obviously, he averaged 70 in ODIs as well.

I guess it depends on your criteria. I think judging the players themselves its hard to argue that Flintoff had a better month than Ponting. He did well, but Ponting was unstoppable in both forms for the whole time. Flintoff's team achieved more, certainly (though a whitewash in South Africa is nothing to sneeze at), and you could possibly argue that through his leadership he had a bigger impact on that success than Ponting did. That's a pretty subjective call, but I think I'd have to go with Ponting, as March really capped off an amazing six months for him and individually he was more successful, as well as being hugely important to his side. He also did it in both ODIs and tests, rather than just the one form.
 

marc71178

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Neil Pickup said:
My criteria has always been game-breaking performances, or better-than-expected. Flintoff's award was based pretty much on his captaincy, which was a revelation, as well as the fact that in India last time he averaged 5.20.
Culd it not be argued that a 40 and 4 fifties was somewhat better than expected?
 

Goughy

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Pls note- Spelling mistake on front page.

www.cricketweb.net

"From None to Too Many

Cricket Web lists the arguements for and against Australia's pacemen vying for a cap against Bangladesh"
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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Easter Weekend Cricket.

"Perhaps the runs are not flowing to my liking but at least the environment is pleasant enough to sustain enjoyment. Nothing beats the drunken chatter of a West Indian crowd - a proverb of my invention. May it live on for ages to come.

Opinionated, knowledgeable and completely lacking inhibition. These are the men (and women) who make the sport watchable. "They need Dave (Mohammed) in the team," rings into one ear, "Ganga should captain dem (i.e. the West Indies team)." Valid points, no doubt, but it is the delivery that truly sells it. Not quite shouting, but forceful enough to command the status of gospel."
 

_Ed_

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^ Excellent. Useful feedback that.

I'm not very happy with this article but I'm not entirely sure why. Any feedback would be great, thanks.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Easter Weekend Cricket.

"Perhaps the runs are not flowing to my liking but at least the environment is pleasant enough to sustain enjoyment. Nothing beats the drunken chatter of a West Indian crowd - a proverb of my invention. May it live on for ages to come.

Opinionated, knowledgeable and completely lacking inhibition. These are the men (and women) who make the sport watchable. "They need Dave (Mohammed) in the team," rings into one ear, "Ganga should captain dem (i.e. the West Indies team)." Valid points, no doubt, but it is the delivery that truly sells it. Not quite shouting, but forceful enough to command the status of gospel."
Very beautifully written! :notworthy
 

Smudge

Hall of Fame Member
_Ed_ said:
^ Excellent. Useful feedback that.

I'm not very happy with this article but I'm not entirely sure why. Any feedback would be great, thanks.

Just quickly skimmed it, but I found the intro a bit weak. While it's a feature article, so doesn't require the "hard angle", it still didn't draw me in that much.
 

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