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Cricket stuff that doesn't deserve its own thread

NotMcKenzie

International Debutant
I think the calls were not made on cricketing reasons and it was decided even before a ball was bowled. Its really that simple.

And the sniffer dog thing is the real paradox here. It maybe used on everyone of the general populace but it seems the writer is suggesting they were used for the SL cricketers and not for cricketers from NZ or Eng. Unless we know for sure that is not the case, we cannot rule out that SL were treated as a 3rd world nation coz it honestly seems pretty probable for that timeframe.
Wrong; the comments implying NZ or England might have been treated differently are to do with the reporting and the ICC, and without knowing the counterfactual, are nothing more than straight assumption designed to insinuate racism or whatever without evidence.

Also, what power did the ACB have to direct sniffer dogs?
 
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Heboric

International Regular
Cricinfo reporting that Ballance has signed a 2y deal with Zimbabwe cricket. Probably the best thing really. He can make a new start and he at least accepted responsibility and fault for his actions which many at Yorkshire have failed to do. He was so good in his first stint of Test cricket. Shame it unravelled, he could still be a fixture of England's top order (not with Bazball though!)
Is this really worth it though. Zim being Zim and all, how much will they play, I hope for his sake it is:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/former-england-batter-gary-ballance-signs-two-year-deal-with-zimbabwe-in-bid-to-give-career-a-fresh-start-1348782
 

NotMcKenzie

International Debutant
This bit is 100% true though, wish more casual fans understood it.



Probably the only argument against this would be long sleeves?
Problem with this idea that it's just unconscious, shouldn't be thought of in such a moral way, etc., is that there is a parallel that—because he was around at the time—makes Peebles look ignorant as well:

Dragging.

If you watch footage from the 40s and 50s, a lot of bowlers frequently dragged their back foot perhaps half a metre or more before their front foot even landed. Three of the four fast bowlers in this 1956 match do it. Ken Mackay, a medium pacer, did it (apparently not so much as a thirteen-year-old). Chandrakant Borde, a spinner, didn't drag but sure did something. Tony Lock, another spinner, managed to combine both dragging and throwing. After the front-foot no-ball rule was introduced, you see dragging disappear almost completely, especially the Lindwall or Trueman-sized ones.
Like the chuckers, the draggers—as Peebles and by extension, Brookes, imply—might not have been consciously trying to gain an advantage. And yet, somehow, after authorities started cracking down on it, it went away. Compare Fred Trueman, England's pace spearhead in 1962/63 to David Brown, in 1965/66, or New Zealand's younger attack in Trueman's last series. Although you can find exceptions (Shuttleworth, Lawson) dragging tends to disappear. Frank Tyson had a large drag, the person who succeed him in estimation as fastest bowler ever didn't, and looking at those 70s bowlers, I'd say that they do not drag their back foot nearly as much before landing their front foot at 1940s and 50s bowlers did, especially those not conforming closer to the classical side-on action which also began to die away at the same time. Nowadays, few even drag as much as Lillee or Hadlee (side-on, you'll note) did. Addressing dragging by a major change in the rules really eliminated it as a feature of cricket, even though you could make the same argument as Peebles and therefore Brookes make about throwing.

Incidentally, Lock was only called for throwing once in 1954, yet he was apparently widely regarded enough as one that Don Bradman used him as an example in 1958 to dismiss Freddie Brown and Peter May's informal complaints about Ian Meckiff. Fact is that, perhaps because of its seriousness, umpires were frequently very reluctant to do anything about it, and players would probably only push so far. Ian Meckiff was only called after boards had stated a commitment to limit throwing; no umpire called him beforehand. Frank Chester wanted to no-ball Cuan McCarthy but was instructed not to do so in order to maintain a harmonious tour: apparently he was told doing so would see him out of umpiring. As far as I know, Jim Burke was never called. Yet I'd find it difficult to believe that he did not have some idea that he was unaware that some elbow extension was involved in his action. In one of those documentaries, Trevor Bailey reckoned that of all the state sides MCC played in 1958/59, only Queensland did not have a chucker in its attack. Those touring in 1962/63 seem not to have found reason to make such an observation.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Wrong; the comments implying NZ or England might have been treated differently are to do with the reporting and the ICC, and without knowing the counterfactual, are nothing more than straight assumption designed to insinuate racism or whatever without evidence.

Also, what power did the ACB have to direct sniffer dogs?
I dunno about the latter, but I assume they may have used their influence to get those other teams through without having the sniffer dogs. And for the former, it did not come across that way to me. I felt the writer was insinuating different treatment only for how they were treated at the airport.
 

Starfighter

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
@NotMcKenzie I would also point out the example of the West Indies.

As I mentioned previously, they actually redefined throwing there, claiming that so long as the arm was straight at delivery, it wasn't a throw, no matter what the elbow did up to that point. Griffith admitted himself the his arm was bent before delivery but straight at it and claimed this was alright (it's a textbook throw). They knew what was going on.
 

NotMcKenzie

International Debutant
I dunno about the latter, but I assume they may have used their influence to get those other teams through without having the sniffer dogs.
How? Again, you can't just claim there was even if you do think getting sniffed [?] would somehow benefit Australia's cricket chances. Making association into causation by mere assertion isn't good enough, even if people get PhDs and create fields of study in that style of thinking.

And for the former, it did not come across that way to me. I felt the writer was insinuating different treatment only for how they were treated at the airport.
I fail to see how anyone could take this interpretation away when the Eng/NZ thing is brought up after the ball-tampering report and in paragraph dealing with that incident, a mere six paragraphs later than the mention of sniffer dogs.
 

Chubb

International Regular

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
How? Again, you can't just claim there was even if you do think getting sniffed [?] would somehow benefit Australia's cricket chances. Making association into causation by mere assertion isn't good enough, even if people get PhDs in that style of thinking.



I fail to see how anyone could take this interpretation away when the Eng/NZ thing is brought up after the ball-tampering report and in paragraph dealing with that incident, a mere six paragraphs later than the mention of sniffer dogs.
I am at work, so I will respond in detail later but the one thing to clarify is I dont think the writer was using the sniffer dogs incident as anything other than an example of how SL team were treated in comparison to NZ or Eng.
 

Starfighter

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I am at work, so I will respond in detail later but the one thing to clarify is I dont think the writer was using the sniffer dogs incident as anything other than an example of how SL team were treated in comparison to NZ or Eng.
You're gonna have to write very smoothly to claim that the author's inclusion of this weird anecdote to fit in with his racist conspiracy against SL theory isn't actually to fit in with said theory.
 

NotMcKenzie

International Debutant
I am at work, so I will respond in detail later but the one thing to clarify is I dont think the writer was using the sniffer dogs incident as anything other than an example of how SL team were treated in comparison to NZ or Eng.
And I don't think the writer was using sniffer dogs as an exemplification of differential treatment at all. He was simply trying to insinuate that there was some move to put the Sri Lankan team off. He mentions Eng and NZ with regards to the ball-tampering report and 'reports' (i.e. agrees with) the idea that the ICC would have treated them differently in that case.
 

TheJediBrah

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I am at work, so I will respond in detail later but the one thing to clarify is I dont think the writer was using the sniffer dogs incident as anything other than an example of how SL team were treated in comparison to NZ or Eng.
The writer was inventing things to fit a make-believe narrative and you're buying into it perfectly. You are exactly the target audience for this kind of journalism
 

Burgey

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I think the calls were not made on cricketing reasons and it was decided even before a ball was bowled. Its really that simple.

And the sniffer dog thing is the real paradox here. It maybe used on everyone of the general populace but it seems the writer is suggesting they were used for the SL cricketers and not for cricketers from NZ or Eng. Unless we know for sure that is not the case, we cannot rule out that SL were treated as a 3rd world nation coz it honestly seems pretty probable for that timeframe.
Lol why won’t you accept what people who travel to and from the joint all the time tell you - it’s absolutely standard practice. There’s literally nothing at all untoward about that happening on entry to Aus. The dogs check for everything, they aren’t just drug or explosives dogs. They pick up foodstuffs, plants etc.
Seriously it’s just standard practice
 

Burgey

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I'm sure you know the answer and this is a rhetorical question
Well tbf to HB here if he read it as being some sort of police dog squad I could get why you’d think it was weird. I guess we’re just used to the dogs at the airports here so don’t think it unusual at all
 

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