*Congratulations* Anil Kumble, highest Indian Test wicket-taker!

[Richard]

Rugby should be banned?

No, as long as rugby is played by the rules no-one gets hurt.

 

[Richard]

Thats your perspective on the one ball bouncer per over. If a bowler bowls a bouncer, it doesnt mean it will be a dot ball. The bouncer cant be above the head in the one dayers if you do not know.

I do know.
A Bouncer is one of the two best means of bowling a dot-ball in one-day-cricket and it's a ball any fool can bowl.
Unlike a Yorker which takes great skill to bowl.

Regarding the conventions of umpiring you are speaking about, I seriously doubt if some thing of such a nature exists which prevents a few bouncers bowled. Show me some conventions on umpiring regarding this if indeed they exist.

Read Dickie Bird's autobiography - he mentions several times that any time someone bowled Bouncers at incapable batsmen he spoke to them immidiately. He fiercely condemns Ian Robinson for failing to stop Courtney bowling them in 1993\94 (or maybe it was 89\90). He also condemns the reporter who reported him Umpiring in the Holding\Roberts-Edrich\Close match - because he points-out that had he been present he'd have put a stop to it.

 

[Pratters]

I do know.
A Bouncer is one of the two best means of bowling a dot-ball in one-day-cricket and it's a ball any fool can bowl.
Unlike a Yorker which takes great skill to bowl.

Its not as easy to bowl a good and effective bouncer which will be a dot ball as you think.

[/quote]Read Dickie Bird's autobiography - he mentions several times that any time someone bowled Bouncers at incapable batsmen he spoke to them immidiately. He fiercely condemns Ian Robinson for failing to stop Courtney bowling them in 1993\94 (or maybe it was 89\90). He also condemns the reporter who reported him Umpiring in the Holding\Roberts-Edrich\Close match - because he points-out that had he been present he'd have put a stop to it.[/QUOTE]

Constant bowling of bouncers to tail enders for two points
1. it serves no purpose to the bowling team
2. its unsporting

I will never it isnt in the spirit to bowl a few bouncers to a tail ender.

 

[Pratters]

No, as long as rugby is played by the rules no-one gets hurt.

ask Rugby players that!

 

[Pratters]

There's a reason that diving in two-footed is a straight-red offence, y'know.

But bouncers to tail enders are not illegal. Such are the dives that some times injuries are inadvertent. Its DANGEROUS like bouncers. Why not stop that as well by your logic on the matter?

 

[Richard]

You are not supposed to make such tackles. They are illegal. That is why they are called fouls. They're not straight-red offences if they're just slightly mistimed, but you will always find a player criticised for making a poor, mistimed tackle (especially if it injures someone). They're criticised for a reason - the same reason seamers should be criticised for bowling Bouncers at someone who can't defend himself.

 

[Richard]

Its not as easy to bowl a good and effective bouncer which will be a dot ball as you think.

A Bouncer (between chest and top-of-head height) is more likely to be a dot-ball than anything else in the game bar a perfectly-pitched Yorker, and all you've got to do is hit some biggish spot on the pitch. It doesn't take much skill.

Constant bowling of bouncers to tail enders for two points
1. it serves no purpose to the bowling team
2. its unsporting

I will never it isnt in the spirit to bowl a few bouncers to a tail ender.

So what's all the fuss about then?

 

[Richard]

ask Rugby players that!

I've seen a few injuries in rugby - all have resulted in improper play by an opponent or freak accident for which no-one can have any blame.

 

[Pratters]

So what's all the fuss about then?

That even a few bouncers should not be allowed on tail enders.

A Bouncer (between chest and top-of-head height) is more likely to be a dot-ball than anything else in the game bar a perfectly-pitched Yorker, and all you've got to do is hit some biggish spot on the pitch. It doesn't take much skill.

Its not so easy. It does involve the risk of going for byes or nicking a mis hit to the boundary ina one day game if not accurate. A no ball is also apossibility since it has to be bowled only at a particuular height in a one dayer. Not a totally convincing dot ball option if you cant bowl the bouncer properly.

 

[Richard]

That even a few bouncers should not be allowed on tail enders.

They shouldn't if you ask me.

Its not so easy. It does involve the risk of going for byes or nicking a mis hit to the boundary ina one day game if not accurate. A no ball is also apossibility since it has to be bowled only at a particuular height in a one dayer. Not a totally convincing dot ball option if you cant bowl the bouncer properly.

Any mis-hit (which a batsman will be keen to avoid - and so will much more likely duck or evade than hook) will more than likely not go for four.
No-balls (or wides) are only a remote possibility because most Umpires are far too lenient on Bouncers in ODIs.
Bowling a Bouncer properly doesn't take much skill, I maintain that.

 

[tooextracool]

And it's quite a while since I've seen either troubled by short-balls, incidentally...
Yes, don't start - it may be because the thing's never been done properly - but with plenty of bowlers of good (80mph+) pace bowling at both on plenty of occasions, I find it a little odd that they've never really been forced back that often then getting-out to the pitched-up stuff.
The only time I've ever seen Hoggard (since he's become a capable batsman - summer 2002) bothered by short bowling was McGrath in Australia. I've not seen Gillespie bat in pressure-cooker situations that often, but I've never seen anyone Bounce him out.

its hard to say that they have or havent been troubled lately, the quality of attacks etc must also be looked at. incidentally the likes of gillespie didnt look too comfortable on his last tour to pakistan against sami and akhtar.

 

[Richard]

Yes the attacks Hoggard has faced recently have been rubbish, but there's undoubtedly been pace there, with Best and Edwards especially.

 

[tooextracool]

Yes the attacks Hoggard has faced recently have been rubbish, but there's undoubtedly been pace there, with Best and Edwards especially.

and pace without accuracy is useless, certainly anyone who watched edwards in the recent series would know that he was far from accurate. best on the other hand only bowled in the 1 inning in that entire series. and hoggard didnt do too much in the carribean if i remember correctly.

 

[Richard]

Played a vital part in one Test, on a capricous pitch... didn't score many runs, admittedly.

 

[marc71178]

Rugby should be banned?

The difference being that Rugby is a contact sport, and the player knows what he is letting himself in for before the game.

Bowling bouncers at someone who is not skilled enough to defend himself is dangerous and un-necessary.

 

[Tom Halsey]

The difference being that Rugby is a contact sport, and the player knows what he is letting himself in for before the game.

Doesn't the batsman know what he's letting himself in for before he bats?

 

[honestbharani]

Congrats to Anil. He has been a great bowler and an even greater ambassador for the game. More than his wickets, I will always remember his great fighting spirit and his never-say-die attitude.

 

[marc71178]

Doesn't the batsman know what he's letting himself in for before he bats?

How does that help someone without the actual ability to avoid getting hurt?

 

[Richard]

Doesn't the batsman know what he's letting himself in for before he bats?

He knows what he's in for - but he wouldn't do it if he didn't have to by the Laws.
We are talking about people picked as bowlers.
In rugby, all players are picked to do jobs involving contact - even full-backs.

 

[bryce]

No, as long as rugby is played by the rules no-one gets hurt.

!!!!!!!!!!!!

that is the biggest load of crap i have ever seen posted on this forum! did you even think before posting that?
i probaly play the most or as much rugby out of anyone on this forum and watch a fair bit too and am struggling to come to terms with the ignorance of this post, please read what you are posting before you click the submit reply button.