capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Yeah, forgot him too.
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Combining ODI and Test records, who are the 5 greatest cricketers ever?
- Thread starter subshakerz
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Both in a similar tier for me but Lara very slightly ahead by virtue of tests getting a higher weightage and he does seem to fit better in the batting order too.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Hadlee isnt ATG in ODI. Great stats but I cant recall him winning anything major.
DrWolverine
U19 Debutant
Pollock did take 5 wickets in that 1999 WC semifinal but the team lost.
The Aus team back were so strong that they would have won even if they missed few key players.
Warne was the Man of Match in 1999 WC semis and final. He was banned for doping just before 2003 World Cup but Aus still won.
Even if India did not win the 2011 World Cup, I will still rate Sachin as the greatest batsman in World Cup history.
Sachin’s performances in 1996, 2003 and to an extent 2011 World Cup were just extraordinary
DrWolverine
U19 Debutant
TBH that team was never going to win anything.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
I think that's my issue. LOI cricket in his time didn't really have the profile outside of big tournaments.
DrWolverine
U19 Debutant
I am surprised the two best fast bowlers in test cricket from WestIndies “underperformed” in one day cricket - Marshall & Ambrose.
Curtly is a strange case - While his average of 24.13 is very good, it is his economy rate of 3.48 that was far ahead of anyone who played during that period. But for some reason, his name usually does not come up when people talk about ATG bowlers in one day cricket..
Curtly is a strange case - While his average of 24.13 is very good, it is his economy rate of 3.48 that was far ahead of anyone who played during that period. But for some reason, his name usually does not come up when people talk about ATG bowlers in one day cricket..
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capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Lack of impactful/iconic matches imo. ODIs kinda demands those more than just stats, though 90s was the time when JAMODIS weren't jammed like now.
Pap Finn Keighl
International Debutant
1.Sachin
2.Akram
3.Viv
4.Hadlee
5.Gilly
6.Kapil
7.Mcgrath
8. Lara
9. Imran
10.Garner
2.Akram
3.Viv
4.Hadlee
5.Gilly
6.Kapil
7.Mcgrath
8. Lara
9. Imran
10.Garner
Coronis
International Coach
I mean SR is the most important in ODIs with each bowler limited to 10 overs correct? Curtly’s wasn’t very low for his era. Of all bowlers who took 50 ODI wickets during his career span, he ranks 38th out of 79
DrWolverine
U19 Debutant
Isn’t economy rate just as important? I mean scoring against him is almost impossible. So that allows the batsmen to attack and make mistakes against the other bowler.
I used to have both Curtly Ambrose and Allan Donald in my 1990s ATG team - Donald had the best strike rate and Ambrose had the best economy rate.
Coronis
International Coach
I won’t pretend to be an ODI expert at all, I barely watch it, so I’m not sure. I know all the talk about Starc being one of the best has to do with his SR I believe.
DrWolverine
U19 Debutant
ODIs has changed tremendously over the decades so it is very tough to compare players across different eras.
DrWolverine
U19 Debutant
In Test cricket, taking 20 wickets is very important. Only then can you win the match.
The objective in ODIs or T20s is to score more runs than your opponent or ensure your opponent scores less runs than you. Taking 10 wickets isn’t that important.
The objective in ODIs or T20s is to score more runs than your opponent or ensure your opponent scores less runs than you. Taking 10 wickets isn’t that important.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Nah, Economy is more important in ODIs. Your only goal is to restrict the opposition for the lowest you can, who cares if they don't lose a wicket but score 150?? Starc is rated that highly mostly off of his World Cup performances.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Marshall until his last three years was averaging 23. He really declined badly, similar to Imran.
All-round records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
DrWolverine
U19 Debutant
Ambrose was no longer the same after his shoulder injury. He was still unplayable but lacked the same venom he possessed before.Marshall until his last three years was averaging 23. He really declined badly, similar to Imran.
All-round records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
stats.espncricinfo.com
In his 100th match, he was averaging 20.97
In his 147th match, he was averaging 22.8
At the end of 176 matches, he averaged 24.1
BazBall21
International Captain
Kapil Dev above Shane Warne? Don't think Marshall was a mild enough ODI cricketer to be below a few of those names too. Has a valid case for best test player since Sobers and was a good ODI player. Definitely ahead of Shakib, Kapil, Greenidge, Miandad etc.
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sayon basak
International Debutant
Because he was significantly better than them in tests.
I'm gonna give significantly more importance to tests anyway you cut it.
sayon basak
International Debutant
Shakib in the top 25? I'm in.