Collymore may miss VB Series

[Richard]

Hmm, he's certainly not the worst.
An attack of Bradshaw, Dillon, Collymore, Bravo, Gayle wouldn't be a bad one at all - certainly the best West Indies have fielded for some time.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

You do not learn by getting smashed.
You learn by bowling in the nets.
No-one needs to get smashed to know that you're not bowling to the standard you need to be.
Nor will being smashed help you improve - it might dent your confidence, but the only way to improve is by practise.

By bowling to class opposition you get dispatched. You make mistakes and a good cricketer learns from them. It's all about the experience. If a cricketer is good enough, he learns from that practical experience and uses it to improve him/herself.

 

[Craig]

I think Australian pitches were made for Dillon. If he has any sense or form, he'll take this opportunity with 2 hands and get some work in.

So what does Merv Dillon's form guide read in recent domestic bowling? Good, bad, average?

 

[bryce]

By bowling to class opposition you get dispatched. You make mistakes and a good cricketer learns from them. It's all about the experience. If a cricketer is good enough, he learns from that practical experience and uses it to improve him/herself.

i agree completely, IMO you learn something every game you play, no matter what happens.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

So what does Merv Dillon's form guide read in recent domestic bowling? Good, bad, average?

Due to his injury he hasn't had any domestic bowling lately. The last bowling he did at any significant level of cricket was his destruction of Bangladesh in the CT.

 

[Buddhmaster]

You do not learn by getting smashed.
You learn by bowling in the nets.
No-one needs to get smashed to know that you're not bowling to the standard you need to be.
Nor will being smashed help you improve - it might dent your confidence, but the only way to improve is by practise.

You do learn by getting smashed. You learn how to bowl deliverys that dont get smashed.

 

[Richard]

No, you learn how to do that by practising bowling them.
And you do not practise in the middle.

 

[Richard]

By bowling to class opposition you get dispatched. You make mistakes and a good cricketer learns from them. It's all about the experience. If a cricketer is good enough, he learns from that practical experience and uses it to improve him/herself.

You learn if you want to learn.
It's never made any sense to me why you need to have matches of doing poorly to know that you're doing something wrong and how you need to improve it.

 

[Richard]

i agree completely, IMO you learn something every game you play, no matter what happens.

You only learn if you want to learn.
If you want to learn, you don't have to learn from matches, you can learn from something less harmful.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

You only learn if you want to learn.
If you want to learn, you don't have to learn from matches, you can learn from something less harmful.

Not every bowler is capable of doing that Richard. To learn to play cricket, you have to play it. To do well at cricket, you have to play cricket. Failure is part of life and it's through that we improve as people, depending on how we deal with failure. Your world is truly idealistic.

 

[Richard]

We don't need to fail to improve.
Why would we?
In any case, failure in cricket is not exactly comparable to failures in various other things.
If you're bowling poorly in the nets you don't need to bowl poorly in the middle to know you're doing something wrong.

 

[Buddhmaster]

Richard, do you really think that there is no way a bowler can improve out in a game?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

If you're bowling poorly in the nets you don't need to bowl poorly in the middle to know you're doing something wrong.

Yet if you're bowling poorly in the nets you may not necessarily bowl poorly in the middle and vice versa. Bowling in the nets is a totally different situation to bowling in a match, contrary to what you might believe.

 

[twctopcat]

If you're bowling poorly in the nets you don't need to bowl poorly in the middle to know you're doing something wrong.

Yes because there's the incentive to do better in a match rather than the nets, and it means more to succeed in a match. Also understanding the pressure of a match situation helps someone learn from it.

 

[marc71178]

Richard, do you really think that there is no way a bowler can improve out in a game?

Once he's made his mind up on a player, they can't improve ever.

 

[bryce]

it seems quite clear to me that richard does not have much cricket playing experience(either that or he was really crap!), bowling in the nets is 1000 times different than bowling in the middle, first of all you are bowling to much different batsman, you have a different ball, you actually have a field to bowl to, you have a match situation you have to take into account, it is a much different enviroment and atmosphere, there are so many variables you are failing to take any notice of.

 

[Richard]

Once he's made his mind up on a player, they can't improve ever.

How long are you going to hang onto that one for?

 

[Richard]

Yet if you're bowling poorly in the nets you may not necessarily bowl poorly in the middle and vice versa. Bowling in the nets is a totally different situation to bowling in a match, contrary to what you might believe.

No, I don't believe bowling well in nets is the same as bowling well in matches, not at all. But nonetheless you can't correct problems in matches, you can correct them in nets only.
If you know the problems are there, you are not going to help eradicate them by playing more games.

 

[Richard]

Yes because there's the incentive to do better in a match rather than the nets, and it means more to succeed in a match.

Which should suggest it's easier to bowl well in matches - something almost everyone experiences is not the case.
Of course there's more incentive, but there's also more expectation to perform.

Also understanding the pressure of a match situation helps someone learn from it.

Of course it does - but if coping with pressure is not the problem then it's no help.

 

[Richard]

Richard, do you really think that there is no way a bowler can improve out in a game?

How is someone going to improve by bowling a measly 60 deliveries (or more with wides and no-balls)?
Do you know how much hard work goes into improving as a bowler? It's incredibly difficult.