Choose one pair : Ponting/Akram vs Sanga/Donald?

[Prince EWS]

But Op asks not to take it in to account. That means you have to rate him as a pure bat.

The issue is in what ever you put, he is a much greater cricketer than Ponting.

Then comes to Akram vs Donald who are pretty similar in their output in tests.

OP asks us to ignore his keeping, not to ignore his batting in games he was keeping in.

 

[Migara]

Yeah but we can't ignore his keeping phase since it coincided with his formative batting phase.

Exactly the case. It can be safely assumed that he would have averaged more if he never kept, especially it involved formative years.

 

[Prince EWS]

I think his batting interfered with his keeping tbh.

He should have given up the batting.

 

[Migara]

OP asks us to ignore his keeping, not to ignore his batting in games he was keeping in.

It doesn't mean to ignore negative effects that keeping had on his batting though

 

[Coronis]

He should have given up the batting.

tbf India would still pick Bumrah if he was absent for every batting innings.

 

[Prince EWS]

tbf India would still pick Bumrah if he was absent for every batting innings.

Really wish Garner had given up the bowling to focus on his batting.

 

[subshakerz]

Exactly the case. It can be safely assumed that he would have averaged more if he never kept, especially it involved formative years.

His average is massively inflated anyways by playing far more at home. But we can't know for sure what he would have averaged otherwise.

 

[subshakerz]

I think his batting interfered with his keeping tbh.

It did and he himself said he couldn't sustain the pressure of batting at no.3 and keeping and hence had to drop the gloves.

 

[Coronis]

It did and he himself said he couldn't sustain the pressure of batting at no.3 and keeping and hence had to drop the gloves.

Could’ve challenged Tendulkar in ODIs if he dropped the gloves there too.

 

[Migara]

His average is massively inflated anyways by playing far more at home. But we can't know for sure what he would have averaged otherwise.

As non - wicket keeper he averages 70 at home, 63 at home and 62 in neutral venues.

 

[Migara]

Could’ve challenged Tendulkar in ODIs if he dropped the gloves there too.

He was not a good ODI batsman. Only realized how to play it very late in his career.

 

[subshakerz]

As non - wicket keeper he averages 70 at home, 63 at home and 62 in neutral venues.

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Yeah that's just his peak and look at the percentage of home tests.

 

[Coronis]

He was not a good ODI batsman. Only realized how to play it very late in his career.

Probably the gloves were in the way.

 

[MasterBlaster24]

He was not a good ODI batsman. Only realized how to play it very late in his career.

Sangakkara was the og momentum sucker in odis.He had the ability to make a difficult chase into a impossible one or a reasonable chase into a difficult one.
Btw he was a great test batter tbh.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Was absolutely magnificent in 2 back to back World Cups

 

[MasterBlaster24]

Was absolutely magnificent in 2 back to back World Cups

In 2000s kallis and sanga were similar kind of odi bats.Both played a anchor role in odis.
Both played out of context odi knocks more frequently. (Like 2003 sf 2007 sf 2015 qf- two of these inns knocked his team out of the wc.)
I rate sanga slightly above kallis in odis.It's because he had a better peak.From 2013 to 2015 sanga was one of the best odi batters in the world.(he smashed 11 out of his 25 odi centuries in this period and batted with a good sr as well). Comparing this to his career before 2013 which he was a massive ball eater(dot ball merchant) and a huge fvcker of own team's run rate.Even dilshan was a better odi bat than him imo.

Kallis and sanga's odi stats from from 1st of Jan 2000 to 1st Jan 2012 (more than 2 3rds sanga's career)

Kallis-avg 47 sr -74
Sanga-avg 38 sr-75

Avg in winning cause
Kallis-56
Sanga-42

Even kallis had a couple of chasing winning centuries as well.

As I said earlier they were n't poor odi batters at all.
I don't rate both of them highly as others in odis.

 

[MasterBlaster24]

Exactly the case. It can be safely assumed that he would have averaged more if he never kept, especially it involved formative years.

I could make a similar argument for Abd.
Like the silly idea that his batting average would have improved if he kept more.

I think sanga gave up gloves when he was nearing the peak of his batting imo.