Chokers in the game today!

[Slow Love™]

Isn't the term "choker" being a little misused in this thread? Being down when your team is being beaten is not choking, it's called "being beaten".

The South Africans are derided as chokers because they will fizz and crumble from winning positions. And because they'll save their greatest brain explosions and stupid mistakes for the biggest, most important games. It's far more about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory than going missing when your team is getting done.

 

[tooextracool]

OK then, go ahead and list 25 better than him - I'm sure we'd all like to see this list.

i have compiled a list of 25 batsmen who IMO are better players than sachin. in no particular order.....

1.don bradman
2.viv richards
3.walter hammond
4.barry richards
5.rahul dravid
6.sunil gavaskar
7.geoff boycott
8.brian lara
9.greame pollock
10.george headley
11.ken barington
12.matthew hayden
13.ricky ponting
14.garry sobers
15.jack hobbs
16.javed miandad
17.steve waugh
18.greame pollock
19.everton weekes
20.herbert sutcliffe
21.len hutton
22.clide walcott
23.greg chappell
24.frank worrell
25.allan border

 

[marc71178]

If thats the case then why does Tendulkar hold the record for the most man of the match awards in ODIs?

What relevance does that have to his allegedly not being on of the top 25 Test batsmen of all time?

 

[marc71178]

i have compiled a list of 25 batsmen who IMO are better players than sachin. in no particular order.....

12.matthew hayden
13.ricky ponting
17.steve waugh

Funny that, but not even the most ardent of Australian fans on here (and at their most patriotic they have said some pretty OTT things on here) would agree with those 3.

 

[Eclipse]

Funny that, but not even the most ardent of Australian fans on here (and at their most patriotic they have said some pretty OTT things on here) would agree with those 3.

What that they are not in the top 25 batsman of alltime??

I think they have the right to be considered at the very least especialy given some of the other players in that list who you have said nothing about.

If you are saying that they are not as good as Tendulkar then thats ok.

Or though by the time Ponting retires he will be an alltime great given he maintains roughly the same form he has had over the last 2-3 years.

 

[marc71178]

What that they are not in the top 25 batsman of alltime??

It's his list of 25 all time greats who are better than SRT.

Ponting I would agree about in the top 25 of all time when his career is over - possibly not just yet though. Waugh as well would be up there, but Hayden I fear not.

 

[luckyeddie]

Graeme Pollock is in there twice.

(may be to please me - he IS my favourite player).

 

[luckyeddie]

Missed out WG Grace, KS Ranjitsinhji, Vinoo Mankad etc etc etc

 

[NikhilN]

i have compiled a list of 25 batsmen who IMO are better players than sachin. in no particular order.....

1.don bradman
2.viv richards
3.walter hammond
4.barry richards
5.rahul dravid
6.sunil gavaskar
7.geoff boycott
8.brian lara
9.greame pollock
10.george headley
11.ken barington
12.matthew hayden
13.ricky ponting
14.garry sobers
15.jack hobbs
16.javed miandad
17.steve waugh
18.greame pollock
19.everton weekes
20.herbert sutcliffe
21.len hutton
22.clide walcott
23.greg chappell
24.frank worrell
25.allan border

Tendulkar has a better test avg then everyone beside:


Bradman
Pollock
Headley
Sutcliffe
Barrington
Weekes
Hammond
Sobers

 

[Lions81]

amazing stats those....yet he has never won a game( let alone a series) outside the sub continent for india for the last 10 years. IMO tendulkar is a good player thats it....but for people in india to make him out to be like a cricketing god is just ridiculous. IMO he wouldnt even make the list of top 25 test batsman in the history of the game.

The critical element in that quote is "IMO". Your opinion seems deluded at times, such as in this occasion.

 

[Sehwag309]

Tendulkar has a better test avg then everyone beside:


Bradman
Pollock
Headley
Sutcliffe
Barrington
Weekes
Hammond
Sobers

In which Era did these batsmen play

 

[Lions81]

You Indians build him up

I think you'll find many more Indians than non-Indians who think Tendulkar's not all he's cracked up to be. In fact, in my discussions of cricket, all the people who dislike Tendulkar and think he's not really that good are Indian! Non-Indians love the guy!

 

[luckyeddie]

I think you'll find many more Indians than non-Indians who think Tendulkar's not all he's cracked up to me. In fact, in my discussions of cricket, all the people who dislike Tendulkar and think he's not really that good are Indian! Non-Indians love the guy!

Would that be a class/caste thing?
(pardon my ignorance of Indian culture)

 

[Lions81]

Would that be a class/caste thing?
(pardon my ignorance of Indian culture)

I have no idea what you mean. I think Indians of all classes and castes think Tendulkar to be overrated and overhyped. Similarly Indians of all classes and castes think Tendulkar to be wonderful.

 

[luckyeddie]

I have no idea what you mean. I think Indians of all classes and castes think Tendulkar to be overrated and overhyped. Similarly Indians of all classes and castes think Tendulkar to be wonderful.

Told you I didn't know what I was talking about.

Is it a regional and/or tribal thing, then? Do people from Bombay think more of him than people from Calcutta ?

 

[Lions81]

Told you I didn't know what I was talking about.

Is it a regional and/or tribal thing, then? Do people from Bombay think more of him than people from Calcutta ?

Oh I see what you're saying now.

No, I think Tendulkar is one of those national icons that really transcends regional identity. So someone from Chennai is equally as likely to like or dislike him than someone in Delhi! Although I suppose since he is from Mumbai, he will be more popular there than elsewhere.

 

[marc71178]

Tendulkar has a better test avg then everyone beside:

Average isn't the be-all and end-all though.

The current era has a lot of high averaging batsmen because the game is becoming progressively more batsman friendly.

 

[Lions81]

Average isn't the be-all and end-all though.

The current era has a lot of high averaging batsmen because the game is becoming progressively more batsman friendly.

Well this could be a whole other thread. Well I suppose it should be.

 

[madcricketer]

Who is the Chocker

Umm. Well, in some cases a player may just get a really really good delivery.

I think if someone is to consider himself a chocker then he should be able to plar any kind of delivery since chockers are good.

 

[madcricketer]

With a 'winning' average of over 70, who in the world says he doesn't 'win' games for India?

Look how bad he overall did in Pakistan. Before coming to Pakistan he said he has found the solution to overcome Shohaib's bowling and look what happened. Shohaib is the one who got him ou in likr 2 odi's. He didnt score runs at all in Pakistan. I mean for India Irfan Pathan did a good job in bowling and Saruv I guess did alright.