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Chappell vs. Border vs. Waugh

Who was the greatest middle-order player for Australia post 1970?


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bagapath

International Captain
when chappell scored 700+ runs in the 75-76 series against west indies at an average of 117, west indies bowling attack had roberts, holding and gibbs. it is good enough, in my opinion, to be considered a potent attack. of course he fared abysmally in the 81-82 series, but, hey, havent you guys heard of the term "out of form"? it happens to everyone. as a batsman he was a cut above border and waugh and, again in my opinion, better than ponting since he possessed the all the strokes and the dominating presence of punter but also had lot more grace and style in execution. on ability and achievement chappell = ponting. i would choose him above punter only for his style.
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
He dominated in WSC against the Windies attack near it's peak. Pathetic sledge on Chappell. He was probably ready to retire because he'd been playing for 15 years?
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
I would say Chappell > Waugh > Ponting > Border. Chappell would make my all time world XI.

  1. Hobbs
  2. Gavaskar
  3. Bradman
  4. Tendulkar
  5. Chappell
  6. Sobers
  7. Gilchrist
  8. Marshall
  9. Ambrose
  10. Lillee
  11. McGrath

Or something like that. 5/11 are Aussies, but that's to be expected considering their consistent excellence. Barnes would obviously be a contender, but I have no clue how to rate him, so he'd either be the first name after Bradman, or not in at all.
 
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silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Imran would make it most times I make that list, at #8. It depends on how I feel that day. Richards wouldn't make my list.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Chappell I think.

One thing I've always wondered about both Chappell and Waugh is whether one should "do a Richard" and cut their worst parts out of their career, because they're so starkly contrasted. In Waugh's case, until he broke through as a batsman with a totally new style in '89, he was pretty poor test batsman. Picked at a very young age with his bowling playing a part, though. As was mentioned earlier, he averaged 56 over his whole career from '92 on, and that's including his gradual age-related decline from the end of the 90s. Even from '89 on his record is much better than for his whole career.

But if one does that, you have to do the same for a lot of batsmen I guess. Ponting is undoubtedly a great batsman, but he looks a lot better if you take out all his tests from before '99, and even better if you take them out before '02. However, if he'd been picked fresh in either of those years I doubt his success would have been the same, since the learning curve he went through before that probably helped turn him into the batsman he became. You could argue the same thing about Waugh, in which case removing his early years might boost him more than is warranted. Maybe if he'd been first picked in '89 he wouldn't have realised he needed to cut some shots out of his game and gone on averaging in the 30s or 40s for a long time after.

Chappell also has that one horror streak where he was struggling mentally and had the underarm incident, the '81 Ashes where he elected not to tour and the home summer in 81/82 where he could hardly get off the mark. Certainly hurts his overall record.

Anyway, Chappell wins for me, hard to split Waugh and Border but I'd probably go for Waugh marginally just because I loved watching him bat so much, and his performance in the West Indies in 1995 is one of my favourite batting performances in a series. As far as Ponting goes, better to judge him when his career is over, but I think there'll be a case to rate him on par with Chappell, or the best of the four.
 

Top_Cat

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Never saw Chappell play but of Waugh and AB, too close to call. Possibly Waugh.
 

bagapath

International Captain
all these guys just simply walk into my post packer australia xi though

hayden
langer
ponting
g.chappell
border (c)
s.waugh
gilchrist (Iwk)
warne
lillee
mcgrath
reid

reserves: mcdermott, m.taylor and healy

this is arguably the strongest national team you can choose for the said period. and it is totally down to the strength of this dream middle order that would place it on top of all such teams.
 
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Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally better to keep your mouth shut rather than display that ignorance around. Otherwise you could always go read a book or something to educate yourself.
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
Border and Waugh both made maximum use of their ability within their own limitations, Chappell was a batsman of the highest class.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
WSC was comedy cricket.
Haha, wow. That'd be why everyone who participated in it said it was the best, highest standard cricket they'd ever played?

Incidentally, I don't think any fast bowlers would "**** all over" that middle order. Every one of those four guys was a superior player of pace, and all of them were remarkable within their own eras for making runs against the best fast bowlers. You'd probably want a superlative spin bowling attack if you wanted to get the better of a middle order of Ponting, Chappell, Waugh and Border.
 

Precambrian

Banned
You're kidding right?
In the sense, it was never intended to be really an alternative for real test cricket. Packer knew it was an exercise to bring CA to accepting his strength, and I do not think he intended WSC to continue for a prolonged period of time. He succeeded.
 

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