Can't Keep Can Bat

[shaka]

Dont forget that everyone is human and mistakes while keeping will always occur. However I do think on purely keeping abiility Gilchrist is not the best in the world. I feel that Boucher would be very close ahead of him. Im not including batting in this feature.

 

[howardj]

I think Gilchrist's wicket-keeping gets unfairly targetted - it's become the fashionable thing to do. Because his batting is so awesome, people - for whatever reason - like to highlight every little mistake he makes as a keeper and blow it of proportion, and then claim that he's mainly in the side because of his batting. Fact is, Gilchrist is an excellent keeper, who has proven himself by 'keeping well to Shane Warne, both over and around the wicket.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I think Gilchrist's wicket-keeping gets unfairly targetted - it's become the fashionable thing to do. Because his batting is so awesome, people - for whatever reason - like to highlight every little mistake he makes as a keeper and blow it of proportion, and then claim that he's mainly in the side because of his batting. Fact is, Gilchrist is an excellent keeper, who has proven himself by 'keeping well to Shane Warne, both over and around the wicket.

Top post. Gilchrist is a classy keeper as far as I'm concerned, he's not in the absolute top eschelon of all-time great glovesmen, but he's comfortably among the best in the world today.

 

[Shane Warne]

Jones batting doesn't justify his errors.

If you're going to drop catches you need an outstanding average, not an average average like Jones.

If you don't have a Gilchrist, just accept it, don't try to force the issue. Read should definately be the keeper as he is good technician.

 

[Top_Cat]

I think Gilchrist's wicket-keeping gets unfairly targetted - it's become the fashionable thing to do. Because his batting is so awesome, people - for whatever reason - like to highlight every little mistake he makes as a keeper and blow it of proportion, and then claim that he's mainly in the side because of his batting. Fact is, Gilchrist is an excellent keeper, who has proven himself by 'keeping well to Shane Warne, both over and around the wicket.

Man, where were you when I was saying this 6 months ago and everyone shouted me down? You were watching from the sidelines laughing, weren't you? Sadistic *******.

 

[Smudge]

If there was one moment in a match when I was finally sold on the idea that Gilchrist was a very good 'keeper, it was this:

CD McMillan st Gilchrist b McGrath 37

42.6 McGrath to McMillan, OUT: well the standing up pays-off big as
planned, McMillan went for a huge drive off and fast one ont eh
off and missed, Gilchrist brilliantly stumped him

 

[simmy]

Be fair.. the title of this thread is "Cant keep cant bat"... Geraint Jones can certainly bat! He saved us the Natwest Series! Admittedly he had a shocker behind the stumps yesterday but it has been a long time since he dropped one that mattered before that.

 

[Smudge]

Be fair.. the title of this thread is "Cant keep cant bat"... Geraint Jones can certainly bat! He saved us the Natwest Series! Admittedly he had a shocker behind the stumps yesterday but it has been a long time since he dropped one that mattered before that.

No it's not.

Shall we rename you "Can't Read Can Type"?

 

[Entrael]

No it's not.

Shall we rename you "Can't Read Can Type"?

that looks like Can't Read Can't Type to me

 

[Smudge]

that looks like Can't Read Can't Type to me

Oh dear...

 

[simmy]

Oh dear... sorry hehe.

I would agree with picking a "keeper" over a "keeper/batsmen" if Read wasnt so pathetically awful against any International team with the bat and he has no teeth.

 

[NZTailender]

It's all to do with how the human eye sees things I guess. Like trying to pick how many f's in a sentence, then going back and reading carefully and amazed you missed all of the one's in "of".

 

[kendall]

Jone's keeping is very concerning and i have never been a great fan of his but he did bat ok in the first inings. I wouldnt drop him yet though. And Gilchrist is simply the best keeper of all time and even if that is mainly due too his batting i think his keeping is underated

 

[Jono]

Might be able to hold a bat, just a shame he can't score with it.

TBH though Jones was terrible yesterday and I doubt Read would've made the same mistakes.

I tend to agree with Archie though, the standard isn't particularly high today, with the exception of Boucher, Sangakkara, Gilchrist and McCullum. I don't really rate Browne, Mashud, Karthik, Patel, etc. as specialist so I see your point.

You've already categorised Karthik as poor? You've definitely jumped the gun there.

 

[marc71178]

Gilchrist has kept superbly in this match, while Jones was diabolical yesterday.

I wouldn't necessarily have said superbly from what I saw in the first innings - some missed takes that he should've easily taken.

 

[marc71178]

Dont forget that everyone is human and mistakes while keeping will always occur. However I do think on purely keeping abiility Gilchrist is not the best in the world. I feel that Boucher would be very close ahead of him. Im not including batting in this feature.

Taibu would be well ahead of him, likewise Read.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Taibu would be well ahead of him, likewise Read.

The most difficult art for a keeper is keeping to a quality spinner who turns the ball a long way... it's as simple as that. Gilchrist does this well, as does Sangakkara. Boucher, Taibu etc do not, as they have never had to, so it's pretty hard to compare them like for like with Gilchrist. McCullum is a good keeper, I think, but makes too many errors. Boucher is nothing above decent these days, and makes more errors than he used to. Jones is downright poor. Khaled Mashud is quite good indeed, and among the better keepers in international cricket. The best keepers going around are Gilchrist, Akmal and Sangakkara, and Taibu and Mashud are close behind. Sangakkara used to be quite poor, but he's good these days. I haven't seen any of the new West Indian or Indian guys, so I can't really comment there.

 

[Scallywag]

Taibu would be well ahead of him, likewise Read.

Dont really know what you mean by trying to suggest Read is anywhere near good enough to be compared to Gilchrist Marc. But I'll give the reason why just in case you meant what you said.

Read has only played 11 tests which is a very short career for a keeper but add this to the resume "He made the one-day team that winter in South Africa and, despite a below-par performance behind the stumps, showed composure with the bat," (thats off his player page).

I think you dont give Gilchrist the credit he deserves for his glovework.

 

[C_C]

Gillchrist is an okay keeper...steady...but i wouldnt put his gloveswork in the same level as Healey/Mongia/Rashid latif/Kirmani/Marsh/Dujon/Dereyck Murray/Knott/Bari etc.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Gillchrist is an okay keeper...steady...but i wouldnt put his gloveswork in the same level as Healey/Mongia/Rashid latif/Kirmani/Marsh/Dujon/Dereyck Murray/Knott/Bari etc.

I'd say Gilchrist is as good as someone like Marsh or Dujon. He's behind guys like Healy, Knott, Russell etc, who are the top eschelon of all-time great glovesmen. He's as good as "very good" guys like Dujon and Marsh, who once again didn't have to keep to someone like Warne. Keeping to Lillee and Marshall is a lot easier, when it comes down to it.

For a balance between batting and keeping, Knott is the best ever. His keeping was superlative, to the pace bowlers as well as Underwood and so on, and his batting was very good as well. Gilchrist still makes an all-time XI ahead of anyone else though, based on his perfectly servicable keeping and brilliant batting.