Getting excited about a player and overhyping him are two different things. Let him perform well consistently for a couple of seasons before starting all these comparisons. Many players with potential just won't be able to stand the pressure and will fade away. Not everyone can be as mentally tough as Sachin Tendulkar.shankar said:
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Can Pathan be as good as Wasim?
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Where have I over-hyped him in my post? Where have I compared him to anyone? I've said that it's absurd to compare him to Akram. There's a chance that he might fade away or fail to deliver on his promise like Zaheer. But that doesn't change the fact that right now he is an exciting prospect.Anil said:
ajaagarkarajaaja
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Hahaha Yes they have done something, and that is getting thrashed at the hand of Batsmen.marc71178 said:
Only a blind captain would prefer loonies like Shabbir and Sami over Pathan and Khan.
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marc71178 said:
Pathan has just started his career, i think Multan test was his 3 test match and he got 4 wkts in the match, the loonies in contrast just got hammered.
And Pathan was easily the best bowler in the ODI series.
Sami has a terrible recent record (both in Test and OD) while Shabbir had some success against lowly ranked team or depleted sides.
BOth guys makes headlines for "wrong reasons" , Sahbbir makes headlines for "suspect action" while Sami makes headlines for giving 20+ extras.
ajaagarkarajaaja
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marc71178 said:
Agreed completely, and that was Pak pacers ONLY ACHIEVEMENT
They certainly have set high standard for themselves.
masterblaster
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Marc, I cannot for the world of me understand why you think India's fast bowling is so dismal.
You want to see the records of Irfan Pathan and Zaheer Khan?
Pathan is 19 for god sake, he's only played 3 test matches in his entire career, you expect him to have a RECORD?
Cmon Marc, your much smarter than that. Pathan has so much potential, and with time, with games and with experience that 'record' is only going to get better.
Records need TIME to develop, nobody starts of with 250+ wickets at an average of 21 or 25, it needs time, work, effort and consistency. Sami averages around 40 with the ball in test matches (and he has been playing for years), yet you still rate Sami so highly.
So what if Pathan is averaging 50 with the ball at the moment, he's only played 3 tests. If he ends up averaging 50 after 15 tests, then yes I agree, he's no good. But with the type of overs he's bowling, his record is getting better and better every match.
Clearly to me, he is something special and yet I can't believe people who havent seen much of Pathan criticise him so much. He has a great attitude, never tires of bowling and can swing the ball more than any other 19 year old or veteran bowler in world cricket.
Pathan's ODI record is extremely impressive as well, for a young bowler who has burst onto the scene. He has done what Hoggard, Caddick and co. couldnt do in 2002, he shattered the stumps of Gilchrist and got Steve Waugh with a brilliant swinging delivery.
Yet you give them so much unfair criticism. What do Indian fast bowlers have to do to win you over?
You want to see the records of Irfan Pathan and Zaheer Khan?
Pathan is 19 for god sake, he's only played 3 test matches in his entire career, you expect him to have a RECORD?
Cmon Marc, your much smarter than that. Pathan has so much potential, and with time, with games and with experience that 'record' is only going to get better.
Records need TIME to develop, nobody starts of with 250+ wickets at an average of 21 or 25, it needs time, work, effort and consistency. Sami averages around 40 with the ball in test matches (and he has been playing for years), yet you still rate Sami so highly.
So what if Pathan is averaging 50 with the ball at the moment, he's only played 3 tests. If he ends up averaging 50 after 15 tests, then yes I agree, he's no good. But with the type of overs he's bowling, his record is getting better and better every match.
Clearly to me, he is something special and yet I can't believe people who havent seen much of Pathan criticise him so much. He has a great attitude, never tires of bowling and can swing the ball more than any other 19 year old or veteran bowler in world cricket.
Pathan's ODI record is extremely impressive as well, for a young bowler who has burst onto the scene. He has done what Hoggard, Caddick and co. couldnt do in 2002, he shattered the stumps of Gilchrist and got Steve Waugh with a brilliant swinging delivery.
Yet you give them so much unfair criticism. What do Indian fast bowlers have to do to win you over?
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Ah, but he has played 34 FC games already, 31 of which were not Test matches. Therefore he does have a record of sort. True, he hasn't come into his prime as yet, and I'm not denying his talent, but he really has performed consistently as yet.masterblaster said:
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It does not matter whether somebody like marc is "won" over. The fact and truth remains whether someone acknowledges it or not. Pathan has burst onto the international scene with a bang. For someone so young, he seems very mature. He can only get better. Right now, I wouldn't compare him with any pakistani pacer since all of them have been playing for some time. I will wait for sometime to pass before making a judgemment.masterblaster said:
But that doesn't mean that the pakistan bowlers are any good. They are supposedly a stronger attack. The whole world witnessed them being thrashed in the ODIs and then again now in this test match. Shabbir and sami are both very bad bowlers. They have no consistency, especially shabbir. Sami might be classified as a good strike bowler at times but not by much.
It must have been a "very nice feeling" for sami and Akhtar when they were so consistent, I mean consistently getting swatted by BALAJI for sixes.
Marc is right, whenever the indian bowlers have performed well recently, it has been on a solid platform set for them by the batsmen from where they can attack the opposition batsmen. I don't recall any recent instances of the bowlers scripting a victory even after the top batsmen failed. Whenever the batsmen have failed, what I have seen is the bowlers falling over in a heap and even when the batsmen succeed, the bowlers haven't always been seen to follow through. The sad truth is we don't have that great an attack at the best of times and we do have a mediocre one at worst.
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ReallyCrazy said:
That's what i have been saying all along, a bowler should be judge by his peformance rather than being inflenced by media hype.
I have an honest question, can anyone name any pacer in the world that has conceded more runs than Sami during the period of last 4 months??
Sami and Shabbir are indeed match winners, its just that they are match winners for opposition!
masterblaster
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Yeah, definitely I think Sami has been getting a lot of credit for just being fast and destructive on occasions.
He is a very talented bowler, but is as inconsistent any Indian bowler.
He is a very talented bowler, but is as inconsistent any Indian bowler.
hindmaatujesalam
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Why do people have this obsession of comparing a bright newcommer with former greats?
No, Irfan is not Akram and will never be Akram.He simply doesn't need to be Akram , like there is one Akram and one McGrath, there is also one Irfan Pathan.
The way Irfan has started his career suggest that he will end up as a legend in cricket world. Miandad tried to mock Pathan by saying that guys likePathan are in every street of Pakistan, but guess what happened? After the OD series the pakistani batsmen( Youhanna in particular) were so terrified of facing Pathan on grass top wicket that Youhanna persuaded the entire team to remove gass of the multan turf!!!
Inspite of that Pathan stood out as the best pacer in the match.Guys like Pathan are once in a generation bowler, after the multan test Inzi would indeed must be wishing if only Pakistan had Pathan in their team.
No, Irfan is not Akram and will never be Akram.He simply doesn't need to be Akram , like there is one Akram and one McGrath, there is also one Irfan Pathan.
The way Irfan has started his career suggest that he will end up as a legend in cricket world. Miandad tried to mock Pathan by saying that guys likePathan are in every street of Pakistan, but guess what happened? After the OD series the pakistani batsmen( Youhanna in particular) were so terrified of facing Pathan on grass top wicket that Youhanna persuaded the entire team to remove gass of the multan turf!!!
Inspite of that Pathan stood out as the best pacer in the match.Guys like Pathan are once in a generation bowler, after the multan test Inzi would indeed must be wishing if only Pakistan had Pathan in their team.
