Can anybody finds this astonishing.....

[viktor]

Need sachin of this LINK

Awesome!!

 

[EnglishRose]

...a great batting team wouldnt struggle to even reach 150 vs NZ (dont talk about crap wickets, great talent will overcome adversity vs an average bowling line up).

Well recently a supposedly 'great' batting lineup failed to reach a 100 on a wicket in Mumbai -- as you so eloquently put it, don't talk about crap wickets -- great talent will overcome adversity.

 

[Sehwag309]

Well recently a supposedly 'great' batting lineup failed to reach a 100 on a wicket in Mumbai -- as you so eloquently put it, don't talk about crap wickets -- great talent will overcome adversity.

Good one..but I guess only spinning tracks are considered bad not the wonderbras

 

[Swervy]

i would like to hear your reasoning as why not outs should not be counted towards this 'calculation'.

because i was talking about the contribution to each innings, which is different to the batsmans average

 

[Swervy]

Well recently a supposedly 'great' batting lineup failed to reach a 100 on a wicket in Mumbai -- as you so eloquently put it, don't talk about crap wickets -- great talent will overcome adversity.

indeed, but that wasnt over an entire series was it, that was one innings in a dead series..

 

[marc71178]

I cant believe some of u people are thinking about dropping Sachin,I mean sure he needs a break...but if u r going to drop Sachin on the basis of form,then before him many Indian players need to be dropped,I wont take names here..might cause another row of arguments which for the moment I've had enough of...

Are there any other batsmen in the Indian team who've played poorly consistently for that length of time then?

 

[marc71178]

Apart from that, I dont see any way the form in tests will go for a year.

Why not?

It's been like that for 2 years already.

 

[marc71178]

Now that we are questioning his form/etc, of course he will make a hundred in his next innings.

That's what happened last time this came up.

 

[marc71178]

Even in his 'slump', he has what is considered a very good average ( typically defined as 40+) and is more consistent than Waugh or Taylor during their rough times......

That depends on the definition of consistency.

So many single figure scores in such a time is not consistent.

 

[marc71178]

How exactly have they made more consistent contributions to their teams during their lean patch than Sachin ? As statistics show, Sachin leads them in EVERY batting stat thats relevant- more runs, higher average, more 100+ scores, more 50+ scores and more consistent 50+ scores.

And he also leads them in percentage of single figure scores...

A batsman making 20 every knock is far more valuable than one that scores 5 4 times in a row then 80 the next.

 

[marc71178]

of his last 10 matches 6 where aganist the best bowling attack in the world so can we give him some consideration there

6 may have been against Australia, but 4 of those were far from the best bowling attack in the world

 

[marc71178]

Scores below 40 are failures. Waugh has 2 tons, 4 fifties and 1 40, Tendy has 3 tons, 4 fifties and 1 40. Still tendulkar is ahead.

Rubbish - scores in the 20's or 30's allow a partnership to be built, single figures do not.

 

[marc71178]

i would like to hear your reasoning as why not outs should not be counted towards this 'calculation'.

How does being not out actually contribute to the side?

 

[biased indian]

And he also leads them in percentage of single figure scores...

A batsman making 20 every knock is far more valuable than one that scores 5 4 times in a row then 80 the next.

i dont think so a batsmen scorig 20's in 10 inngs wont be preferred over some say scorring 6 single digit score one hundred and 2 fifties and on 30+. thats what tendulakr has done in his last 20 some inngs double of what i have given

 

[biased indian]

Are there any other batsmen in the Indian team who've played poorly consistently for that length of time then?

Laxman is one name that come to mind

 

[SJS]

Laxman is one name that come to mind

There have been others in time.

Gavaskar went thru a very bad patch and there was similar talk that he should be dropped. Then he came and decided to play like his skipper in tests and scored one of the fastest hundreds ever by an Indian by going hammer and tongs from the first ball. An innings Sehwag would find difficult to replicate and he was back in business. Maybe Sachin needs to do that ?

 

[TendulkarFan]

Success draws as much contempt and jealousy as praise. It's been clear for a while now that there is a group that absolutely despises Tendulkar and his status and now that he seems to be down, all the daggers are coming out.

Those who are even contemplating dropping Sachin, now or in the future, must be on crack. He is too classy a player to be dropped. On top of that, he's only 31 - I'd say he has at least 3 more years if not more.

Not only does Sachin perform with the bat, but he
- provides a huge psychological boost to Team India
- is a legend and an inspiration to his younger teammates who will go through a wall just to get some praise from him
- is still a useful bowler and one of the safest fielders in the side
- probably the smartest cricketer in the Indian team and also the best student of the game (he picks up opposition strategies quite quickly and passes them on to Ganguly who almost always goes to his two smartest cricketers, Dravid/Tendulkar, for consultation)
- brings tons of experience and maturity to a young team

I agree he hasn't performed up to his usual standards with the bat the last 2 years but the entire anti-Tendulkar faction quickly seems to forget (or perhaps does it intentionally) that he has had the most significant injury problems of his entire career during this 2 year phase. Once he gets over it, the class will show again. I have no doubts.

 

[nikhil1772]

Laxman is one name that come to mind

Thats right,even Ganguly comes to mind and he's the captain,remember Sehwag with his form slump a few months back?

After reading all of the posts on this thread the bottomline appears to be simple...Its pathetic to even think to drop Sachin...
...and this comes from a guy who recently had started disliking Tendulkar for his doing nothing for the Indian team in the Australia series...

 

[Eclipse]

I dont think he should be droped.. but ppl do have to accept he is never going to be the same again.

 

[SJS]

These are 17 consecutive scores by an Australian great (batsman).

277 runs at an average of 17. These innings are spread over exactly 24 months, so his bad form did last !!

I have not checked but its possible he was dropped (he wasnt a legend when his bad spell started) during this period but his terrible bad form did last 2 years with no fifty in 17 innings and 10 test matches.

But boy, did he come back ? He came back to score another 8000 test runs.
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25
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19
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14
26
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