Bumrah vs Holding

[vidiq]

 

[DrWolverine]

Is he better than them? Maybe
Is he “head and shoulders” better than them? No way

 

[Bolo.]

Obviously I agree his stats shouldn't be taken at face value. But I posted those numbers to show that longevity honestly shouldn't matter in this comparison. Bumrah literally needs to turn into a terrible bowler overnight to end up with approximately holding level numbers.

If Bumrah needed another 100 wickets @27 or something to match his figures then I would agree with the longevity argument because he would still be adding value as a 27 avg bowler. But not here.

The longevity thing isn't just wickets though. Different eras and number of games. To match carer length, Bumrah would need to play a bunch more years and take his wickets at something not too dissimilar to 27.

 

[subshakerz]

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He isnt qualified to make such assessments (unless he becomes a CW poster)

 

[sayon basak]

Is he better than them? Maybe
Is he “head and shoulders” better than them? No way

He isn't even better than them.

 

[vidiq]

He isn't even better than them.

He is Definitely better than garner as of now

 

[sayon basak]

He is Definitely better than garner as of now

Yeah arguably.

 

[DrWolverine]

He isn't even better than them.

Maybe. Maybe not.

We have to judge him after his career ends.

 

[Thala_0710]

He is Definitely better than garner as of now

Is he?

 

[Thala_0710]

Garner and Holding are pretty much similar level imo

 

[akilana]

He’s the best from the subcontinent.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

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Arguably better: debatable. Head and shoulders: GTFOH ADAM GILCHRIST!!!

 

[Johan]

Gilchrist was being sarcastic as he hates cross-era comparisons.

 

[Coronis]

He isnt qualified to make such assessments (unless he becomes a CW poster)

Gilchrist was being sarcastic as he hates cross-era comparisons.

Already sounds like a couple of CW posters

 

[Johan]

Already sounds like a couple of CW posters

Kyear and Subs?

 

[kyear2]

If Bumrah retired today would you rate him ahead of Holding?

Holding for now.

 

[kyear2]

I think Bumrah is amazing and if he has a full career a confirmed top 5 pacer but I also think he has a bit of a stat boost in the sense that this is the easiest time I have seen for pace bowlers to get wickets.

Definely.

The pitches, the balls, the ineptitude of the batsmen.

Still, he's something special.

 

[ankitj]

TBF Holding also doesn’t have any apparent weakness.

You mean in skill or in a checklist way?

 

[sayon basak]

You mean in skill or in a checklist way?

From the footages I have seen, he looks closer to Marshall than to Garner in terms of Skill. Could bowl very fast, had a great bouncer, could swing the bowl, seems like a very skilled bowler to me.

 

[ankitj]

From the footages I have seen, he looks closer to Marshall than to Garner in terms of Skill. Could bowl very fast, had a great bouncer, could swing the bowl, seems like a very skilled bowler to me.

All that doesn't matter though. Lot of players "look" like ATGs but don't deliver. Can't upgrade tier of a bowler based on in appearances. No one has looked better than Wasim Akram but he is not in the top tier according to CW consensus