Broke Sri Lanka relying on India

[JASON]

And Tharmi is absolutely right ....60,000 odd Tamils have died over the past 30 years...they were not all Tamil Tigers ....Just because a Government kills people living in the country does not make it not terrorism ...It is Government Terrorism against the innocents...and far worse, IMO...Lets get some facts here if you want to discuss Terrorism in detail..

 

[new_age_ar]

Like Jason i rather not turn this thread into a political one. But seriously if the Tigers/LTTE are a Terrorised group (which they most likely are), so is the Government. The amount innocent Tamils they have killed over the years purely due to their race is disgusting and far greater then what the Tigers have done. Both are as bad as each other, but if your going to call one Terrorist then you have to call the other one as well.

If you want to discuss the issue properly have some proper knowleage about situation from both sides. It is pretty obvious some people have only ever heard one side of the story.

 

[Sanz]

So you've now got internet access in your new job?

Check the time of the post.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Check the time of the post.

Considering he's in a completely different time zone to you, I doubt it's going to help.

 

[SJS]

In this I refer to SJS whose absolute lack of knowledge of Sri Lankan Politics or the suffering of the oppressed Tamils and their struggle for Independance is blatantly obvious...

Dont you think you are being presumptuous Jason ?

I do know a bit about Sri Lankan situation and the Tamil struggle for a homeland. Its not my case that I know more than you or anyone else but anyone who has watched me on this forum will realise that I avoid talking on subjects i do not know of. So maybe you know more and i can understand that but I do not speak from toatl ignorance.

Secondly, I have never said anything about my views on the Tamil struggle for independence or my views on whether they SHOULD have a separate homeland. You will be very surprised to know what I think on this and even on other such issues in our region.

My comments here were totally about terror being employed as a strategy, weapon, tactic - call it what you may. It is reprehensible and will remain so.

Killing of tens of thousands of innocents Tamils doesn't justify killing of innocent Sinhalese. thousands, hundreds or dozens.

A murder is a murder whether you kill 8000 Siklhs in retaliation to the killing of one Indira Gandhi or you kill one Rajeev Gandhi (and innocent by standers) in retaliation to something else.

I wish this much was understood by those who espouse terror and those who support or justify it.

 

[lionheart]

I find it infuriating when this cricketing forum is turned into a Political forum and then even more infuriating when people who have no first hand of knowledge of the struggling innocent Tamils of Sri Lanka come and gang up on one guy and try and force their view point...

If you find it infuriating then why are you here adding your two cents propelling it further? SJS raised a valid issue in reference to the original intent of this thread and several viewpoints were debated as a result. The topic had more or less died on its own volition - at least till you got on your high horse. Furthermore - you know absolutely nothing about me, nor about anyone else who has voiced their opinion in this thread. Judging by the content of your posts, your own implied knowledge of the Sri Lankan situation is questionable to the extreme.

FYI - Politics refers to the process of which a political entity is governed - usually in regards to a country, state or some form administration. What has been discussed in this thread was not even close to politics. If anything it’s been a spirited discussion about the semantics of the word 'terrorism'.

And Tharmi is absolutely right ....60,000 odd Tamils have died over the past 30 years...they were not all Tamil Tigers ....Just because a Government kills people living in the country does not make it not terrorism ...It is Government Terrorism against the innocents...and far worse, IMO...Lets get some facts here if you want to discuss Terrorism in detail..

Care to clarify these ludicrous statements? Over 60, 000 people have died over the last 30 years - they are of Sinhala, Tamil, Moor and Malay ethnicity. That figure is the total loss of life throughout the history of the conflict. The figure includes combatants from the Sri Lankan state as well as those from the LTTE, various other Tamil militant groups and civilians. Make note of the word civilians - many have been purposefully targeted in campaigns of terror by the LTTE and many also have been unfortunate victims of collateral damage from both sides. You need to get your facts straight - especially if you want to come off sounding like the authority you seem to imagine yourself being.

But seriously if the Tigers/LTTE are a Terrorised group (which they most likely are), so is the Government. The amount innocent Tamils they have killed over the years purely due to their race is disgusting and far greater then what the Tigers have done. Both are as bad as each other, but if your going to call one Terrorist then you have to call the other one as well.

I refer you to a post I made earlier in this thread:

There is no comparison between the two sides. To equate the LTTE as the "Tamil Army" is to say that Al Qaida is the army of Islam. If the LTTE was the army of the Tamil people of Sri Lanka then why did they violently silence every other Tamil militant group in Sri Lanka? Why do they continue to murder every Tamil dissenter from the LTTE dogma? Why are they currently fighting a faction that broke off from them in Eastern Sri Lanka? Why did the LTTE ethnically cleanse Northern and Eastern Sri Lanka of virtually all its indigenous Moorish, Malay and Sinhalese inhabitants? Why does the vast majority of Tamils call central, western and southern Sri Lanka home?

I'd like to an addendum to this list of 'whys' -
Why does it continue to forcibly recruit children to fight in their abhorrent 'war'? Why do they continue to use the people which they claim to represent as human shields? Why does it force the Tamil Diaspora to donate to its cause on the threat of violence? Why does it engage in the trafficking of narcotics, arms and human life? Why does it steal money from well-meaning ignorant masses by setting up false aid organisations and profiteering on catastrophes such as the tsunami?

You make it seem like the LTTE is fighting for a democracy. They are not. The LTTE's fights for an ethnically hemogenous authoritarian communist military state - not a democracy not for civil liberties and freedom. I suggest you study the history of the Sri Lankan conflict before you post these absurdities.

The LTTE does not represent the Tamil population of Sri Lanka, just a small minority that clearly has no moral compass. If you believe the LTTE’s actions are agreeable to you personally - then say so. If you believe the LTTE best represents your own hopes and aspirations - then say so. That is your prerogative. Do not, however, imply that they represent the ethnic Sri Lankan Tamil populace of Sri Lanka, or that they are in anyway comparable in conduct to a democratically elected government.

 

[JASON]

Dont you think you are being presumptuous Jason ?

I do know a bit about Sri Lankan situation and the Tamil struggle for a homeland. Its not my case that I know more than you or anyone else but anyone who has watched me on this forum will realise that I avoid talking on subjects i do not know of. So maybe you know more and i can understand that but I do not speak from toatl ignorance.

Secondly, I have never said anything about my views on the Tamil struggle for independence or my views on whether they SHOULD have a separate homeland. You will be very surprised to know what I think on this and even on other such issues in our region.

My comments here were totally about terror being employed as a strategy, weapon, tactic - call it what you may. It is reprehensible and will remain so.

Killing of tens of thousands of innocents Tamils doesn't justify killing of innocent Sinhalese. thousands, hundreds or dozens.

A murder is a murder whether you kill 8000 Siklhs in retaliation to the killing of one Indira Gandhi or you kill one Rajeev Gandhi (and innocent by standers) in retaliation to something else.

I wish this much was understood by those who espouse terror and those who support or justify it.

I think now that you have brought some balance in your view points expressed in this last post - your view is perfectly legitimate and something I would concur with.

But that balance on Terror committed by the Sri Lankan Governments over the last 25-30 years, where they have gone about killing 60,000 odd innocent tamils haphazardly by aerial bombings, as well as shooting and pillaging they have committed in the North of Sri Lanka and the Sri Lankan Army ,Navy and Airforce killing innocent Northern Tamils as well as Tamils living in the South in the name of fighting terror, is important to bring into this discussion and highlighting as otherwise these discusions can be hijacked by those who use even these sports forums for propaganda puposes , as its clearly evident .

I have never endeavoured to make this forum a Political forum and a forum for Political discussion, but there are idiots here with fanatical views just as certain religious elements with fanatical views who commit terror like 911 who can use these forums for their ends..You can see that from their infrequent visits here to this forum but their deliberate attempts to use propaganda even here...

 

[JASON]

If you find it infuriating then why are you here adding your two cents propelling it further? .

Because Idiots like you come to these forums to use it for false propoganda - Are you a Govt sponsored Propagandist coming here to advocate false Govt sponsored propoganda here ?

Some Idiots can't leave even sports forums peaceful without espousing their propaganda...this forum was a decent peaceful place before idiots like you bring your Political garbage here...and pollute it ..

It seems clear from your posts thats what you are...And unless someone refutes and makes suitable replies people like you will continue with your propaganda and carry on with your drama...

 

[Flem274*]

OI!!! This is a cricket forum NOT a Sri Lankan politics forum. If you want to discuss it use MSN or create a Sri Lankan Politics Thread in Off Topic or something. People are here to discuss cricket not who is to blame for a hell of alot of dead people and personally I don't want to be a major ****ing hypocrite by being a topic nazi despite my history of off topic posting now either STFU or GTF back on topic!!!










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[JASON]

Care to clarify these ludicrous statements? Over 60, 000 people have died over the last 30 years - they are of Sinhala, Tamil, Moor and Malay ethnicity. That figure is the total loss of life throughout the history of the conflict. The figure includes combatants from the Sri Lankan state as well as those from the LTTE, various other Tamil militant groups and civilians. Make note of the word civilians - many have been purposefully targeted in campaigns of terror by the LTTE and many also have been unfortunate victims of collateral damage from both sides. You need to get your facts straight

You are using this for your bogus propaganda....its well known that over 85% of the 60,000 people who have died in Sri Lanka are the Victims of Government sponsored Terror under the guise of counter Terrorism to kill harmless innocent Tamils of Northern Sri Lanka...I wasn't planning to turn this debate into a Political one but since you readily keep coming out with lies and falsehoods , someone needs to put you right , otherwise you will carry on like no end here...

 

[JASON]

OI!!! This is a cricket forum NOT a Sri Lankan politics forum. If you want to discuss it use MSN or create a Sri Lankan Politics Thread in Off Topic or something. People are here to discuss cricket not who is to blame for a hell of alot of dead people and personally I don't want to be a major ****ing hypocrite by being a topic nazi despite my history of off topic posting now either STFU or GTF back on topic!!!










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Agreed, there was absolutely Ranting over and over about Terror and SL Politics, Someone needed to put this right....The thread got hijacked by the Idiots from something about SL cricket to discussion on Terror...and the lack of balance needed to be put right otherwise they were carrying on and on like old wives....

 

[lionheart]

I have not said anything in this thread which in not based on fact and that cannot be supported by scholarly works of academia. All you have done is levelled juvenile and outrageously inaccurate claims, slander and engaging in the lowest form of demagogy.

...Because Idiots like you come...

...Some Idiots can't leave even sports forums

You cannot even interact with your fellow posters in a manner that is civil. Calling me an 'idiot' says more of your own intellect and its capacity to continue discussion. The language of hate is home only to the infantile.

Because Idiots like you come to these forums to use it for false propoganda - Are you a Govt sponsored Propagandist coming here to advocate false Govt sponsored propoganda here ?

I have no like for, affiliation with or connection to the government of Sri Lanka. Why do you reduce yourself to defame those who do not share your ideological canon? None of the content of my post contains a trace of your 'propaganda' catch-cry. I have simply stated facts - as I have stated earlier - that are supported by scholarly works. If anyone is involved in espousing propaganda it is you and if I were to engage in such lowly conduct, I dare say I’d behave more like you.

You can see that from their infrequent visits here to this forum but their deliberate attempts to use propaganda even here...

You are right; I do not post regularly. I generally only post when Sri Lanka is involved in international cricket because simply I do not have the time to follow as much cricket as I would like. My posting history is transparent as anyone else’s. Feel free and try authenticating that claim - along with all the others you’ve levelled thus far.

Some Idiots can't leave even sports forums peaceful without espousing their propaganda...this forum was a decent peaceful place before idiots like you bring your Political garbage here...and pollute it ..

I agree - politics has no place in this thread - and it hasn't. The issue of terrorism however is an extremely important facet of the fiduciary crisis facing SL cricket. I am certain every person of Sri Lankan extraction wishes it weren't - but this is the world we live in. Any attempt to try sweep the problem under the rug is a deceitful.

I hereby end my part in this thread - happily knowing that anyone who takes the time to read this thread will find a truthful account of the LTTE and detached, objective counter point to the fictional caricature of the island of Sri Lanka that you have presented. Have fun mate.

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[Manee]

May I ask exactly how the BCCI have so much money compared to CA or even the ECB.

 

[BoyBrumby]

May I ask exactly how the BCCI have so much money compared to CA or even the ECB.

Is that a rhetorical question?

Anyway, I know the square root of sweet Fanny Adams about internal Sri Lankan politics/disputes, but the semantic labelling of any group who blows stuff up indiscriminately is beside the point for touring cricket sides, isn't it? Whether one calls them terrorists or freedom fighters or latter-day saints the end result is the same; teams are going to be less than enthused about touring there.

 

[Craig]

Check the time of the post.

Uncalled for IMO. I have no idea what you do for a living or your working hours or if your more time at home to use the 'net. So I'm sorry if I don't know your life story or what your are doing at this very moment because if it is something I should know, well I don't.

 

[JASON]

Replying to the Ranting gives credibility to rubbish posted here, while no one denies Terrorirism committed by a Terror Group, some people with blinkered vision carry on with their propaganda even on sports forums when Far Far Greater Terror is committed by Governments in Sri Lanka in killing innocent Tamil folk of humble means who are striving to live away from the bitter war waged and trying hard to survive...

It is a very blinkered fanatical mentality very similar to those with Fanatical views who commit Terror such as 911, to ignore and hide terror committed by Government in Sri Lanka while highlighting the equally abhorable Terror committed by the Terrorists...In reality Many thousands are victims of Government terror.....a fact well recognised by the US Government as well as its representative mediatory the Norwegian Government...

I will not post any further with regard to this....as the sickening Ranting by some, is unfortunately ruining this forum and this thread...which they converted from Cricket into Terror.

 

[JASON]

In fact closing this thread may be appropriate....

 

[JBH001]

Chaminda 0_0 are you a Tamil? I always thought you were Singhalese, and that Jason and I were the only Tamils on the board. Come to think of it though, your location, Havelock Stadium, should have given it away!

And yes, best lock the thread. I wanted to get involved myself but thought better of it...so many grey areas and ambiguities keep accumulating over time, but a measured response becomes conversely more and more difficult.