Brian lara vs steve smith

[subshakerz]

You're the one who literally restarted the conversation, What are you asking me to let go lol

Because you made a point on using Comptons rep while we argued so much previously on how reliable using Huttons rep was

 

[Johan]

Sure

yeah mindless batting is a negative more times than a positive.

 

[Johan]

Because you made a point on using Comptons rep while we argued so much previously on how reliable using Huttons rep was

Hutton's rep is as a conservative Batsman but his scoring rate wasn't different from dashers to the degree some of the modern day greats are different from their peers anyway, so not even was it never treated like an issue, the gap is miniscule anyway.

 

[subshakerz]

yeah mindless batting is a negative more times than a positive.

Aggressive is fine BazBall often goes too far

 

[subshakerz]

Hutton's rep is as a conservative Batsman but his scoring rate wasn't different from dashers to the degree some of the modern day greats are different from their peers anyway, so not even was it never treated like an issue, the gap is miniscule anyway.

We don't need to debate it again we know each others points

 

[Johan]

We don't need to debate it again we know each others points

alright

 

[kyear2]

it all really just comes down to blind strike rate reading huh? I guess Hammond and Headley were ultra defesive batters now because they were not that far ahead of Hutton in Strike rate.


It is very much only Compton who presented it as a negative thing.


He literally didn't, Compton was considered an aggressive dasher and he literally batted 3 Strike rate points higher, May was 2 points higher than Hutton, and these guys were middle order Batsmen, not openers, Headley and Hammond were MOs from much flatter era and even their strike rates weren't relevantly ahead of Hutton.


Let him decide when it's logical to attack..? Who are you or Subs to decide when he should bat defensive or aggressive?


one of the most respected and best users on this site has Hutton at #2, just because that placement does not align with your beliefs does not mean manu don't have him as the best of the best, and Yes, he is probably the most perfect batsman of them all.


FINALLY, that's an actual point, but It does matter to me what you do against high class bowling, I just rate Hutton's achievements against one of the greatest attacks ever assembled from 1946 Ashes to 1953 Ashes one of the greatest showings ever against high class bowling, better than anything Sobers or Sachin would've to show in that regard. Again, their argument to being better will always boil down to being "better" on flatter wickets.


literally am not, Compton pretty much said that much too

Yes Headley was an ultra defensive batsman as well, and one of a couple reasons he's not top 8 either. And at least he had an excuse.

Not sure who has him at 2, but that's fine, I just disagree. And who if you don't mind? I can only come up with Peterhrt, Red, HeathDavisSpeed, Fred when thinking of the best posters. And by your argument Peterhrt has Barry 3rd, don't think that sways you.

Sobers had some good performances vs some pretty special bowlers, Trueman, Davidson, Benaud, Lillee, Fazal.

 

[kyear2]

I think aggressive and slow bats both have their place. Ideally a team should have both and I don’t really have a preference when rating batsmen.

Controversial take

Don't think anyone's questioning that. A team should have a couple of defensive batsmen around to act as anchors. Hutton would be a must for me.

Think where you and I will always disagree is where it's for me, unarguable that it's harder to score at and maintain a higher strike rate, and that it definitely has a greater advantage in batting scenarios.

 

[kyear2]

Sure. But my overall balance will tilt aggressive.

What I get annoyed with are those who pretend aggressive batting style doesn't have an effect on gameplay.

This

 

[Johan]

Yes Headley was an ultra defensive batsman as well, and one of a couple reasons he's not top 8 either. And at least he had an excuse.

Not sure who has him at 2, but that's fine, I just disagree. And who if you don't mind? I can only come up with Peterhrt, Red, HeathDavisSpeed, Fred when thinking of the best posters. And by your argument Peterhrt has Barry 3rd, don't think that sways you.

Sobers had some good performances vs some pretty special bowlers, Trueman, Davidson, Benaud, Lillee, Fazal.

He, Hammond, Compton, May were all never percieved or considered slow players, Again, in this era striking at ~ 40 seems to be enough to be considered a hybrid, anything in 30s a bit conservative and anything in 50s considered an entertainer, Hutton misses the neutrality mark by barely 2 SR, it won't actually amount to anything in games and it never did.

I won't comment because I don't like bringing in people not active on the subforum into the subforum, but Yeah I do think I saw one rate Hutton as the best after Bradman, even ahead of Hobbs.

Yeah, but I think the Invincibles attack takes it, Peak Lindwall was a monster akin to Bumrah before his peak ended after 1953 Ashes, Miller is ATG quality, Johnston is close as well, Miller + Johnston + Lindwall already sounds like a complete nightmare, but with good 4th and 5th bowlers? on ultra bowler friendly pitches? that sounds like a nightmare and Hutton averaged like 57 in those 20 tests. Sobers is definitely more proven against great bowling than Sachin, I don't think he quite beats Hutton.

 

[ankitj]

Player A scores 51 and 50, out twice. Player B scores 100 and 1* out once. Is the impact of these two the same? They both scored the same amount of runs per innings in the test.

If this keeps happening over and over (so you don't have tiny samples) then 2nd batsmen is significantly better than the first (all else equal) and his captain should move him up the order so that he can belt more hundreds.

 

[Coronis]

If this keeps happening over and over (so you don't have tiny samples) then 2nd batsmen is significantly better than the first (all else equal) and his captain should move him up the order so that he can belt more hundreds.

They’re both openers sorry

 

[ankitj]

They’re both openers sorry

Then there's no way one of them keeps scoring 1*

 

[Coronis]

Then there's no way one of them keeps scoring 1*

He plays for a very successful team that keeps winning by 10 wickets.