Brian Lara vs Kumar Sangakkara

[Migara]

If you extrapolate Sanga's career as a pure bat he is only behind Bradman and Sobers
If you extrapolate Sanga's career as a keeper bat he is on par or even above Gilchrist.

Now take a breath and consider. He is top 10 test players ever seen.
Those would be Imran. Sobers, Bradman, Kallis, Marshall, McGrath, Hadlee, Murali and Gilchrist

 

[subshakerz]

The premise on the forum seems to be that I've designated that he's an ATG, it that I alone place him as a contender for AT teams.

He's an established ATG regardless of how much the people here want to believe he's not.

He was the best bat in the world for longer than most, and in fact the vast majority of cricketers have never had that distinction, and certainly not for 5 or 6 years.

I also don't assume I know everything and read everything I can get my hands on. I listen to posters and former players, not only online but thankfully in real life. I'm not trying to create something, like Luffy and Flower a few weeks ago. The guy was an ATG.

Why is Barry an ATG and Proctor not an ATG?

 

[JBMAC]

@JBMAC sorry to drag you in but did you see much of Barrington?

Never had the chance to as i am fairly sure he never played at The Gabba. (Maybe some smart computer person can find that out) He did score at least 2 100s against us though in 65/66 Both at the MCG.

 

[DrWolverine]

Ken Barrington played twice at Brisbane

1962 : 78 & 23

1965 : 53(173) & 38(43)

 

[Swamp Witch Hattie]

Why is Barry an ATG and Proctor not an ATG?

Firstly, because Barry Richards has the 12th highest Test batting average of all time:



while Mike Procter has only the 61st lowest Test bowling average of all time:



Secondly, Procter with 41 wickets in 7 Tests has a worse WPM than Imran in the WI where Imran took 48 wickets in 8 Tests (as I'm sure you know, Subsz!!!).

Thirdly, @kyear2's position on Barry Richards might simply be his trying to stop the escalation of yet more civil unrest in SA:

from https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/south-africa-all-time-xi-openers-shortlist-434888:

 

[Coronis]

Firstly, because Barry Richards has the 12th highest Test batting average of all time:

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while Mike Procter has only the 61st lowest Test bowling average of all time:

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Secondly, Procter with 41 wickets in 7 Tests has a worse WPM than Imran in the WI where Imran took 48 wickets in 8 Tests (as I'm sure you know, Subsz!!!).

Thirdly, @kyear2's position on Barry Richards might simply be his trying to stop the escalation of yet more civil unrest in SA:

from https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/south-africa-all-time-xi-openers-shortlist-434888:

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I don’t think you need too much to spark violence in South Africa tbf

 

[kyear2]

Why is Barry an ATG and Proctor not an ATG?

Where did I say he wasn't?

I have only 40 players rated as ATGs and both are included.

I literally post lists all of the time.

 

[Swamp Witch Hattie]

This is an interesting article which @kyear2 (if he hasn't seen it before) might enjoy. I haven't read it in any detail (I might later) but this caught my eye:

 

[Coronis]

This is an interesting article which @kyear2 (if he hasn't seen it before) might enjoy. I haven't read it in any detail (I might later) but this caught my eye:

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Ah, matches against touring sides. Miss those days.

 

[kyear2]

I don’t think you need too much to spark violence in South Africa tbf

Really?

 

[Coronis]

Really?

I’m surprised you hadn’t heard. South Africa is one of the most violent and dangerous places in the world. (imo India shouldn’t tour there either if they’re so worried about Pakistan) For example, USA has ~340 million people. South Africa has ~63 million. From the last data I can find, South Africa had 27k murders in 2022 and the US had 20k in 2023. Amongst all countries with a million people only Jamaica and Ecuador have greater rates of murder. Hotbed for violent crime in general and organised crime to boot.

 

[kyear2]

This is an interesting article which @kyear2 (if he hasn't seen it before) might enjoy. I haven't read it in any detail (I might later) but this caught my eye:

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There's a thread related directly to the article.

 

[kyear2]

I’m surprised you hadn’t heard. South Africa is one of the most violent and dangerous places in the world. (imo India shouldn’t tour there either if they’re so worried about Pakistan) For example, USA has ~340 million people. South Africa has ~63 million. From the last data I can find, South Africa had 27k murders in 2022 and the US had 20k in 2023. Amongst all countries with a million people only Jamaica and Ecuador have greater rates of murder. Hotbed for violent crime in general and organised crime to boot.

I'm aware, just don't think it was the best subject to joke about.

 

[Coronis]

I'm aware, just don't think it was the best subject to joke about.

Oh you’re one of those.

 

[subshakerz]

Where did I say he wasn't?

I have only 40 players rated as ATGs and both are included.

I literally post lists all of the time.

Ugh.

 

[sayon basak]

Oh you’re one of those.

This could be taken out of context.

 

[Swamp Witch Hattie]

There's a thread related directly to the article.

Yes, here! Thanks!

 

[kyear2]

Oh you’re one of those.

You mean human and not insensitive?

And don't worry I've noticed you're one of those as well.

 

[Coronis]

You mean human and not insensitive?

And don't worry I've noticed you're one of those as well.

An oversensitive bloke when it comes to comedy. That’s ok. It was a very mild throwaway joke that would only offend certain people. Curious if it offended any SA posters here.

 

[kyear2]

This could be taken out of context.

Ikr