Brian Lara vs Kumar Sangakkara

[PlayerComparisons]

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[kyear2]

There's the greats, the ATGs, then there's the list (of 21) I posted somewhere today that makes up the Mount Olympus or Pantheon, then there's the two at the top.

Once it's one of that top list vs anyone one, I'll call it as not close, even against an ATG like Sanga.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

I remember crying when both of these guys retired from the game.

 

[kyear2]

I remember crying when both of these guys retired from the game.

Can't recall if it was Lara's last, but was there when Atherton ran him out in the odi game. You could feel the disappointment and level.of deflation in the crowd.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Can't recall if it was Lara's last, but was there when Atherton ran him out in the odi game. You could feel the disappointment and level.of deflation in the crowd.

Definitely wasn’t his last ODI

But, to divert a little and reflect on the crowds back then. A little part of our WI community also died with the legend of Lara’s retirement. It’s striking

 

[DrWolverine]

There's the greats, the ATGs, then there's the list (of 21) I posted somewhere today that makes up the Mount Olympus or Pantheon, then there's the two at the top.

Can you post the list?

 

[sayon basak]

I remember crying when both of these guys retired from the game.

Did you also cry when Shakib retired?

 

[sayon basak]

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Two with great hairstyles.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

Can you post the list?

No. But when he was man of the series that 09 series against our depleted team

 

[kyear2]

Can you post the list?

Sure

Hobbs, Bradman, Hutton, Sobers, Richards, Richards, Tendulkar, Lara, Smith

O'Reilly, Hadlee, Marshall, Ambrose, Warne, Muralitharan, McGrath, Steyn

Hammond, Imran, Kallis, Gilchrist.

Kallis a little borderline and about 2 or 3 names borderline on the outside as well, but yeah, this is the upper echelon for me.

 

[subshakerz]

Sure

Hobbs, Bradman, Hutton, Sobers, Richards, Richards, Tendulkar, Lara, Smith

O'Reilly, Hadlee, Marshall, Ambrose, Warne, Muralitharan, McGrath, Steyn

Hammond, Imran, Kallis, Gilchrist.

Kallis a little borderline and about 2 or 3 names borderline on the outside as well, but yeah, this is the upper echelon for me.

What about WG?

What's this new ranking based off?

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

I am actually starting to believe anyone in the top 15 ish of Batsman except Bradman and top 10 of Bowler are right around the same mark. Ofc the record of players like Hobbs, Sachin, Marshall, Hadlee etc. separate themselves slightly but it’s close definitely imho.

 

[DrWolverine]

I am actually starting to believe anyone in the top 15 ish of Batsman except Bradman and top 10 of Bowler are right around the same mark. Ofc the record of players like Hobbs, Sachin, Marshall, Hadlee etc. separate themselves slightly but it’s close definitely imho.

 

[Johan]

Lara>Ponting>Sangakkara

 

[PlayerComparisons]

I feel like Tendulkar and Sobers are clearly the top 2 batsmen since 1950. After that there’s like 10-15 around the same level.

 

[honestbharani]

I feel like Tendulkar and Sobers are clearly the top 2 batsmen since 1950. After that there’s like 10-15 around the same level.

Nah...

Sobers

Lara
Sachin


Smith
Viv

rest

 

[kyear2]

What about WG?

What's this new ranking based off?

The batsmen who were no. 1 in the world and also held claim at some point to be noted by some level of consensus as the best batsmen persons have seen, with legit claim to be seen as the best since Bradman.

Bowlers who have been no 1 and have an argument to be the best.

All round players / all rounders who probably just missed in primary disciples, but combined have legitimately earned said places.

Considered Knott, but as some have said, probably wasn't quite in that absolute top grouping based on glove work. A couple others just missed.

 

[kyear2]

I am actually starting to believe anyone in the top 15 ish of Batsman except Bradman and top 10 of Bowler are right around the same mark. Ofc the record of players like Hobbs, Sachin, Marshall, Hadlee etc. separate themselves slightly but it’s close definitely imho.

For batsmen, you have about 15, I have about 9.

I can't compare Sanga to what Sachin and Lara did in the '90's and vs the greats. Love Punter, he's not nearly in that conversation either. Chappell was special, no one though he was better than either Richards, and I don't see the argument for him to be the best since Don.
Hammond is an interesting case and he (for me) just falls a little sort. More than half the career came before the lbw rule, but more importantly, the one time he came up vs quality and not even great fast bowling in Martindale and Constantine, he was incredibly troubled. But taking into account his catching he still makes the above list as a cricketer. Kallis just isn't the batsman those guys are. His agenda didn't always align with the team's and one always felt that if it came between the needs of the team or his average, he would choose the latter.

Bowlers, you have 10, me 7, again not that big a difference and... Donald has his caveat, Lillee even in modern times only really played in 3 countries, and taking that into account, his numbers should have been better.

So I have 9 batsmen, 8 bowlers and 4 guys with combined contributions who were ATGs in primary to begin with.

 

[kyear2]

Nah...

Sobers

Lara
Sachin


Smith
Viv

rest

Would add Hutton, and another opener, but this basically.

 

[kyear2]

Lara>Ponting>Sangakkara

Would tend to agree.