Brett Lee in ODI's

[C_C]

Thanks for the correction..i ran a wrong search.
But apart from a marginally worse wicket/match ratio(ie, strike rate), Waqar has everything that is superior - economy rate, 4-fers and 5-fers.

 

[Arrow]

Waqars stats and strike rate are not far off Lee's and he played 300 odd games. Lee has a long way to go before he proves to be as good as him over an entire career.

 

[age_master]

give him the chance to than

 

[vic_orthdox]

Thanks for the correction..i ran a wrong search.
But apart from a marginally worse wicket/match ratio(ie, strike rate), Waqar has everything that is superior - economy rate, 4-fers and 5-fers.

Wouldn't that indicate a higher level of inconsistency then?

On the other hand, it might also say that Waqar has also won more matches...

 

[C_C]

Wouldn't that indicate a higher level of inconsistency then?

On the other hand, it might also say that Waqar has also won more matches...

I dont think Waqar was more inconsistent than Lee....Lee has been pretty consistent for a year or so....and he is at his peak....

 

[vic_orthdox]

I dont think Waqar was more inconsistent than Lee....Lee has been pretty consistent for a year or so....and he is at his peak....

I'm saying that the most likely conclusion that you can make from the figures that you brought up - most specifically the greater number of 4 and 5 wicket hauls, for less wickets in total - would indicate that Waqar (at the same stage) isn't as consistent as Lee, taking his wickets in bags, and therefore would have to have a lot more games where he only takes one, or no, wickets, while Lee seems to "accumulate" his more, proving a more consistent contribution in terms of wicket taking.

At the same stage, did Waqar have a better SR?

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I'm saying that the most likely conclusion that you can make from the figures that you brought up - most specifically the greater number of 4 and 5 wicket hauls, for less wickets in total - would indicate that Waqar (at the same stage) isn't as consistent as Lee, taking his wickets in bags, and therefore would have to have a lot more games where he only takes one, or no, wickets, while Lee seems to "accumulate" his more, proving a more consistent contribution in terms of wicket taking.

Indeed. Lee has gone wicketless 3 times since the start of 2004. Once all of last year, and twice this year, and one of those games was a near-washout where he only bowled a few overs. Amazing.

 

[Arrow]

Waqar @ 112 games

W 187 AVE 22.02 EC 4.44 SR 29.7 4Fs 8 5Fs 7

Lee @ 112 games

W 200 AVE 22.16 EC 4.67 SR 28.44 4Fs 7 5Fs 4

Lee is doing well so far.

 

[tooextracool]

Donald and Waqar, though, I'm not sold on. Waqar obviously had his days when he was better than anyone, just like he did in tests, but Lee's consistent wicket taking is one of his major virtues. It is amazingly rare these days that he plays a game where he doesn't take a wicket, which is exactly why his strike rate is significantly better than anyone elses, even though he isn't quite as destructive as them.

waqars ER went down the drain towards the end of his career, even his SR went down. in his prime he had a better average, better ER and only a slightly higher SR. theres absolutely no reason why lee should be rated above him. allan donald had a phenomenal ER for someone of his pace and an excellent average. i think you really are rating SR way too highly. ODI cricket is not just about getting wickets, in fact is more about economy. theres absolutely no point in taking 3/60, because its completely useless.

Including players who played in the 90s and after only, I'd rate McGrath, Ambrose, Wasim, Warne, and Saqlain clearly ahead of Lee, and Pollock very close. Donald and Waqar might be ahead of Lee right now, but I think he will have overtaken them by the time he retires.

That's of course the other problem with rating Lee right now in the all-time great category. He's only 28, and has a lot of cricket ahead of him fitness permitting. Maybe he'll do a McGrath/Lillee/Hadlee job and get even better, or maybe he'll do a Bishop/Waqar/Donald and go downhill.

well either way hes going to have to get that ER up a lot lower, if he is to considered an all time great. IMO hes not at the moment.