Any average Joe can fake ignorance though.. In the days of being a professional athlete, being paid mega bucks to ply your trade, you have to do the research.. Anything else is irresponsible..pasag said:Disagree right there, I don't think first time drug abusers should be dealt with that harshly in any sport. Really, I am mystified at the witch-hunting that goes on in global sport when ever this happens. Not the biggest problem and calls for life are nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction. I thought Warne should have got less and I thought these two should have got less as well.
Don't see why people are coming out and slamming the decison when little is known about the process as of yet and untill I see evidence otherwise, I'll assume the panel acted in honesty and integrity.
What? They tested positive for performance enhancing substances. Seriously, **** off and come back when you're less dire.pasag said:Thought the original bans were an overreaction
Post reported.steds said:What? They tested positive for performance enhancing substances. Seriously, **** off and come back when you're less dire.
Yep, not saying they should be let off, rather the bans shouldn't be so harsh for first time offences. I don't care whether they knew, they didn't know, first time should just be a couple of matches and after that I would be more than happy with bans for years or life.Langeveldt said:Any average Joe can fake ignorance though.. In the days of being a professional athlete, being paid mega bucks to ply your trade, you have to do the research.. Anything else is irresponsible..
Just think, you are Damien Martyn or whoever, batting for your career as an Aussie contracted player, your livelihood is at stake, and someone you know has cheated before he even lets go of the ball takes your wicket, how do you feel?
Did I say they represented the entire Sub Continent? No, it's just another example in different rules applying to them. I don't care that they faced an independent tribunal, they should've been banned, they took steroids FFS. Warney only took a diuretic. Hypocrisy, if the ICC doesn't step in then they will prove themselves as useful as Ashley Giles is against Australia.Dasa said:Yep, that crazy subcontinent. Because Shoab and Asif represent the entire subcontinent. And of course, the independent tribunal that made the decision was obviously not independent at all, but just made up of members of the PCB/BCCI etc. Also not forgetting that cricket wasn't ever ruled by England/Australia and the subcontinent was always treated equally.
Anyway, to some of reactions in here - it seems as if the decision to overturn the ban was made on technicalities...not out of some sort of crusade to let cheats go free. It wasn't the PCB's decision either. Provided similar circumstances, I suspect the result would be the same anywhere in the world.
Amen to that brother.Langeveldt said:It's hard to think rationally when such lunacy prevails in our once great sport..
I'd propose boycotts of Pakistan matches (not that any of their fans would care), and if I was in charge of a cricket board, I certainly wouldn't honour a tour there, whatever the fine.. Any games that Asif and Shoaib participate in should not contain an opponent who has crickets interests at heart
This sets a horrible message to potential drug takers and makes the game even less credible as a global and honest sport..
You're certainly right about that..There are different set of rules for the Aussies,Eng etc and different one for the sub-cont teams as even a ICC match refree admitted that these teams are more aggressive by nature so should be allowed to bully the umpire but a if a sub-cont team does it than well they should be fined and also interesting to note.. i still haven't heard anythign about Warne getting any fines or warning for his over-reactions today... It was pretty pathetic the way he was going on and on.... sure you can appeal but seriously if it was one of sub-cont players... i could see him being dragged to the match refree's office.Scmods said:Did I say they represented the entire Sub Continent? No, it's just another example in different rules applying to them. I don't care that they faced an independent tribunal, they should've been banned, they took steroids FFS. Warney only took a diuretic. Hypocrisy, if the ICC doesn't step in then they will prove themselves as useful as Ashley Giles is against Australia.
Post reported.pasag said:Yep, not saying they should be let off, rather the bans shouldn't be so harsh for first time offences. I don't care whether they knew, they didn't know, first time should just be a couple of matches and after that I would be more than happy with bans for years or life.
No it shouldn't be just a couple of matches. Generally you're looking at a penalty of at least a few months for being caught with anabolic steroids in your body if you look at sport as a whole. Football is pathetic so it's weak on this, so it administers a few months as a punishment. A lot of other sports it would be a minimum two year ban for a first offense, cricket is supposed to be a cut above other sports so it should be looking at minimum two year bans and that is what would have happened if those two cheats had been caught in an ICC test. Ignorance is almost assumed for the minimum penalty - not that 'err but I thought taking an anabolic steroid was perfectly legal' holds any water with me. Also if Pakistan's team is so naive and uneducated why haven't the whole lot been caught?pasag said:Yep, not saying they should be let off, rather the bans shouldn't be so harsh for first time offences. I don't care whether they knew, they didn't know, first time should just be a couple of matches and after that I would be more than happy with bans for years or life.
Heaps of them were pretty close, plus Lee was dragged to the match ref's office so spare us the favoritism bull****.R_D said:i still haven't heard anythign about Warne getting any fines or warning for his over-reactions today... It was pretty pathetic the way he was going on and on.... sure you can appeal but seriously if it was one of sub-cont players... i could see him being dragged to the match refree's office.
Yea their argument doesn't hold water, a bit like Warne when he was banned...pasag said:Heaps of them were pretty close, plus Lee was dragged to the match ref's office so spare us the favoritism bull****.
Scaly - I'm taking as sport as a whole here tbh, on a global scale, imo, there is a massive overreacting to first time drug use. IMO.Scaly piscine said:No it shouldn't be just a couple of matches. Generally you're looking at a penalty of at least a few months for being caught with anabolic steroids in your body if you look at sport as a whole. Football is pathetic so it's weak on this, so it administers a few months as a punishment. A lot of other sports it would be a minimum two year ban for a first offense.....
Just goes to show. One rule for those from the sub continent and another for the rest.silentstriker said:Ugh, that just sucks. Warne got banned for a year, these two should have been banned for that much, if not more.
its not bull**** its been evident for years.pasag said:Heaps of them were pretty close, plus Lee was dragged to the match ref's office so spare us the favoritism bull****.
1. Where exactly is the evidence that there are different rules or more lenient rules for the subcontinent? If anything, historically it's been the other way around.Scmods said:Did I say they represented the entire Sub Continent? No, it's just another example in different rules applying to them. I don't care that they faced an independent tribunal, they should've been banned, they took steroids FFS. Warney only took a diuretic. Hypocrisy, if the ICC doesn't step in then they will prove themselves as useful as Ashley Giles is against Australia.