Brad Hogg vs Cameron White

[Richard]

Cameron White is the single cleanest striker of a cricket ball I have ever seen, I can't understand why any team wouldn't pick him if he was available. His average doesn't do him any justice whatsoever.

Loots Bosman and Matthew Prior are cleaner.

Their averages don't do them justice, either.

(Irony - please note...)

 

[vic_orthdox]

The difference with White is that while he is such a clean hitter, there is a sense of maturity that accompanies his batting, unlike many others who hit the ball well - especially at his age.

 

[Richard]

On a relatively unrelated note...

Have you met him?

 

[vic_orthdox]

Yes. Seems like a nice enough guy.

 

[Cotto]

I used to play cricket with Cammo when he was about 16 - 17, he was a big boy then and was always a good bat. Always been a mature cricketer even at that young age.
His old man was a good cricketer........ a fast bowler who also had the ability to hit big.

I think Cammo has a long future for Australia and would make an excellent relacement for captain when Ponting retires, very smart cricketer.

Give him a year or so to settle into the aussie team and you'll see big things from him.

He's always been a batsman first so comparing him to Brad Hogg is a waste of time.

There's room in the team for both of them if Watson's fit.

 

[deeps]

I used to play cricket with Cammo when he was about 16 - 17, he was a big boy then and was always a good bat. Always been a mature cricketer even at that young age.
His old man was a good cricketer........ a fast bowler who also had the ability to hit big.

I think Cammo has a long future for Australia and would make an excellent relacement for captain when Ponting retires, very smart cricketer.

Give him a year or so to settle into the aussie team and you'll see big things from him.

He's always been a batsman first so comparing him to Brad Hogg is a waste of time.

There's room in the team for both of them if Watson's fit.

Ok fine, even if he's not competing for Hogg's spot, is nurturing a youngster now, such a good idea, so close to the world cup?

Yes, in a year he may be very good, but i don't think he'll be ready come world cup time, to play a significant role. A more experienced campaigner would be a far better option

 

[Cotto]

Time will tell i guess, i don't really care what team they go in with as long as they win.

I'm just excited at the idea of Tait roughing up some batsmen over there!

 

[Pup Clarke]

White will go but won't be in the first X1 if Watson is fit as he is a key part of the Aussie attack,making an excellent 5th bowling option.

 

[Poker Boy]

They'll probably both go but Hogg is the better bowler who did a good job filling massive shoes in 2003. Even in CC White was far more effective as a batsman and I'd say Bevan was a better spinner than White - who I reckon is Australia's Jamie Dalrymple (OK, maybe that's too harsh!).I'm surprised the Aussies don't pick MaGill in ODIs - and I'd have him in the WC squad as an option. Good god even England are picking our best spinner for ODIs just now -Monty - and MacGill is the best spinner Australia have now that you-know-who won't make a comeback.

 

[chaminda_00]

Unless White score some runs in the finals and series against NZ. I think he will get dropped in 1..2..3.. for Watson in WC. If Watson plays i can't see why on earth you would want to play 5 seamers, so Hogg would have to play as well.

There is room in the side for all three, but White probably the odd man out as Hodge and Clarke fill the last two batting spots. And Hogg and Watson are better bowling options, with Watson only slighly less effective batsmen in OD cricket.

White is brillant batsmen, when on song and as pointed out already his also a great clean hitter. But at the end of the day you have to score runs and he clearly hasn't done that at International Level yet.

 

[Richard]

If Watson plays i can't see why on earth you would want to play 5 seamers

Because you have 5 seamers who are all better than any spinner you have?

Not saying Aus currently do, but if you did 5 seamers would be the only logical choice, and it'd baffle me if, say, Johnson and Watson both make irresistable cases, for Aus not to go in with a five-man seam attack.

 

[Pup Clarke]

Because you have 5 seamers who are all better than any spinner you have?

Not saying Aus currently do, but if you did 5 seamers would be the only logical choice, and it'd baffle me if, say, Johnson and Watson both make irresistable cases, for Aus not to go in with a five-man seam attack.

IMO I feel that with playing 5 seamers things can get a bit predictable and this where Hogg comes into it.You can play Hogg and Watson the pick 3 seam bowlers who will be Lee,Bracken and McGrath.Plus the WI pitches assist spin meaning varation to an attack will be key and spinners IMO will play a big part.Australia have looked well below par with the ball in recent games and this is where Hogg's varation can play a huge part in taking wickets in the middle overs.I would be foolish not to play one spinner IMO as the pitches will not suit fast bowling so if you played 5 fast bowlers they might all struggle to take wickets.

 

[Richard]

And if you play 4 seamers and a spinner they might all struggle to take wickets.

And I'm still not totally sure, but aren't some of the WC stadia new grounds? In which case we don't know what they'll play like.

Playing 5 seamers might be predictable but if those 5 seamers were, say, Pollock, McGrath, Ntini, a fully fit Shoaib Akhtar and Mohd Asif, would you really worry about predictability?

'Cos I sure wouldn't.

If your seamers are better bowlers than your spinners (relative to the conditions, obviously), then you play an all-seam attack. People make too much of the "variation" thing. What matters is skill, not variation. West Indies proved that in 1977, and continued to do so for the next 9 years, and most people are still struggling to catch-up.

 

[Pup Clarke]

And if you play 4 seamers and a spinner they might all struggle to take wickets.

And I'm still not totally sure, but aren't some of the WC stadia new grounds? In which case we don't know what they'll play like.

Playing 5 seamers might be predictable but if those 5 seamers were, say, Pollock, McGrath, Ntini, a fully fit Shoaib Akhtar and Mohd Asif, would you really worry about predictability?

'Cos I sure wouldn't.

If your seamers are better bowlers than your spinners (relative to the conditions, obviously), then you play an all-seam attack. People make too much of the "variation" thing. What matters is skill, not variation. West Indies proved that in 1977, and continued to do so for the next 9 years, and most people are still struggling to catch-up.

Imo I feel the seamers aren't really much better and Hogg could do a more effective job say on a lifeless pitch with no swing or seam but would take turn.Australia will use a rotational policy and I imagine most of the players it will involve will be Hogg and Johnson for 5th bowler.And this is most certainly not a WI attack,nowhere near so this is why the spinner plays an important role.Because the 5 fast bowlers aren't all top quality and proven performers.

 

[Speersy]

Dont forget about Clarke, he is in good form with the ball. 5 seamers and two spinners (White and Clarke)

 

[Richard]

Imo I feel the seamers aren't really much better and Hogg could do a more effective job say on a lifeless pitch with no swing or seam but would take turn.Australia will use a rotational policy and I imagine most of the players it will involve will be Hogg and Johnson for 5th bowler.And this is most certainly not a WI attack,nowhere near so this is why the spinner plays an important role.Because the 5 fast bowlers aren't all top quality and proven performers.

I know, and Hogg may well be a better option than Johnson (if Watson's fit that's 4 seamers nailed-in-stone with McGrath, Bracken and Lee). My point was more in general terms. SA are the best current example - they have 5 or 6 seamers currently who are all better than their best spinner on all but the most extravagantly turning surface.

 

[Pup Clarke]

Dont forget about Clarke, he is in good form with the ball. 5 seamers and two spinners (White and Clarke)

They still IMO don't do enough to be considered a specialist or a wicket taking spinner.They are both part time and really can't be trusted (especially White).

 

[vic_orthdox]

I know, and Hogg may well be a better option than Johnson (if Watson's fit that's 4 seamers nailed-in-stone with McGrath, Bracken and Lee). My point was more in general terms. SA are the best current example - they have 5 or 6 seamers currently who are all better than the best spinner on all but the most extravagantly turning surface.

You mean South Africa's best spinner, or the best spinner [i.e. in the world]?

 

[vic_orthdox]

They still IMO don't do enough to be considered a specialist or a wicket taking spinner.They are both part time and really can't be trusted (especially White).

I think variation is a little more important than what it is being made out to be. It allows you to exploit more weaknesses in the opposition, while I think spinners play a vital role in the middle overs as they are able to take the pace off the ball, and can control where they're going to be hit at times a lot better than pace bowlers.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Uh?

No, I mean its best spinner...

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