Dasa
International Vice-Captain
Wtf? Who said anything about 'eliminating' people? The point is trying to get rid of the mistakes...I don't know why anyone would be opposed to that.
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Brad Hogg as a test match option
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aussie
Hall of Fame Member
Well since Hogg was not selected in the recent A squad i presume the selectors don't see my view on him being in the test side.
But one area that has bothered me is the form of Jaques & Rogers. I have been following their form very closely & neither have being in the kind of form that many expected of them averaging 27 & 35 respectively with just about a month to go in the season. So i guess if they don't improve Hussey opening won't be too far off at all this Australian summer.
But one area that has bothered me is the form of Jaques & Rogers. I have been following their form very closely & neither have being in the kind of form that many expected of them averaging 27 & 35 respectively with just about a month to go in the season. So i guess if they don't improve Hussey opening won't be too far off at all this Australian summer.
Julian87
State Captain
Two solutions to two problems.
Hogg wasn't selected in the A side because he is in the one day 20/20 side...well what was my thought.
And Shane Watson is the perfect answer for opener number two. Brings an extra bowling option as well (would hopefully mean Symonds can just concentrate on his batting).
pup11
International Coach
I can't really see Symmo playing as a pure batsman in test cricket, i don't really think he has got the right mind-set to be a 5 day match player and his Pura cup record too screams out this obvious fact.Though his combo of being a superb fielder+ an aggressive batsman+ a handy medium-pacer+ a handy offie might still book a place for him in the test side.
andyc
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Haha, why would you ever want Symonds in a team just for batting? Not too sure why you'd want him in the test team to begin with tbh, but I could understand him being there as a fill in for Watson, but given that the guy averages 27.26 after 13 games, I don't see why he deserves to be in the team as a batsman.
PhoenixFire
International Coach
Symonds wouldn't even be in the side if it wasn't for that 156 in Melbourne.
Surely you pick your best bowling line up. If no spinners is in there, then as long as you've got variety you pick your best. So I'd have neither Hogg or McGill, unless the wickets turning square.
Bowling line up would be, (in batting order 8-11)
Lee - fast
Johnson -left arm
Clarke - line and length
Tait - express
With Watson as a fifth bowler and Clarke to do part time spin. In a 5 man attack, you can afford to bring on Tait for very short spells, just to put the wind up 'em.
The question is where to put Watson, if he comes in at 6, then you need an opener.
If you give him a chance as an opener, do you go with an extra batsman, or persist with Symonds for his "all-sorts" bowling. Infact even White could come into calculations, as a lower order batsman, who bowls a few. (His batting average couldn't be much worse then Symonds.)
Bowling line up would be, (in batting order 8-11)
Lee - fast
Johnson -left arm
Clarke - line and length
Tait - express
With Watson as a fifth bowler and Clarke to do part time spin. In a 5 man attack, you can afford to bring on Tait for very short spells, just to put the wind up 'em.
The question is where to put Watson, if he comes in at 6, then you need an opener.
If you give him a chance as an opener, do you go with an extra batsman, or persist with Symonds for his "all-sorts" bowling. Infact even White could come into calculations, as a lower order batsman, who bowls a few. (His batting average couldn't be much worse then Symonds.)
aussie
Hall of Fame Member
he certainly did show improvement in the Ashes. Plus i fairly sure that in the new era of Australian cricket Symonds may well & be around the test side given that he is one of Ponting's favourite players.
chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
Remind me again Lee's, Johnson's and Tait's Test record compared to MacGill. MacGill should be the 2nd bowler selected for Australia behind Clark.
Mister Wright
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Amen
Will 06/07 aus stats do (of players not retired and in scope for selection)
Player Matches Wickets Av S/R
Clark 8 47 15.89 39.3
Hogg 3 15 20.53 43.3
Noffke 7 30 24.30 52.5
Johnson 3 12 24.58 54.8
Hilfenhaus 11 60 25.38 50.9
Tait 8 32 27.28 48.7
Gillespie 11 32 27.84 64.7
MacGill 10 39 35.43 64.2
Lee 5 20 33.20 59.0
Hoggard 5 16 34.87 61.1
Panesar 4 12 38.91 62.2
Flintoff 6 12 44.41 77.5
Harmison 5 10 61.40 102.1
Mahmood 4 5 70 85.8
Anderson 4 6 80.83 117.3
Put in the english tourists to give Lee some cover but consider that 5 of Clark's game were against the number 2 ranked test team!
Anyway given Hogg stats there and his performance in the world cup and putting aside the lead up games in which the Aussies were overtraining for the cup, I think Hogg may deserve a chance. He makes a good number 8 with the bat and better feildsman.
As for MacGill those stats when compared against bowlers only bowling in Pura Cup, he appears not to be in form. Sure he'll clean up some of the crap test teams (Zim, Ban) but so would most of our state teams.
(As a humourous aside Johnson's batting average is 59 for the same 3 matches. He is getting towards allrounder status!)
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How MacGill bowls in Pakistan will be crucial, Nielson has been piping up about him so he'll have to bowl terribly to work his way out of a test spot, but his numbers have been ordinary for the past 2 years.
I see Cullen Bailey got mollested (85 from 10 overs) by 'emerging' Indians, does not say much for our depth of spin bowling lol.
I see Cullen Bailey got mollested (85 from 10 overs) by 'emerging' Indians, does not say much for our depth of spin bowling lol.
JBMAC
State Captain
Where he belongs ....as 12th man for Qld Pura Cup Team's second eleven..There has been a lot of talk re overated players and IMO Watson should be top of the list. He is erratic to say the least,is injury prone to weird injuries, does not come across as a team player and does not seem to be a player to be counted on. I for one would not have him in any capacity in any side I was to Captain.
pasag
RTDAS
Not sure how he doesn't come across as a team player and can't be counted on tbh. All I've heard on those counts is irrational comments like 'I don't like his blonde hair, I don't like his muscles, I don't like the way he celebrates' rubbish. If anything he's underrated and if they didn't want him at QLD, I'd always be happy seeing him at Victoria. Can't wait till he becomes a regular in the Test side tbh.
four_or_six
Cricketer Of The Year
Given how popular the bloke is with captain/coach and fellow players, I'd be very surprised if he's not a team player.
Ponting seems to want him in his side, I expect he has fairly good reasons for wanting him .
four_or_six
Cricketer Of The Year
How can someone not like his hair?
pasag
RTDAS
Jealousy imo.
sideshowtim
Banned
Oh get your hand off it. Watson cops such an unncesarry amount of crap in this country that it's terrible. He's a very good, young all-rounder with a magnificent domestic record and very much deserves the chances he's gotten. I believe he'll be a vital part of both our ODI and Test teams in years to come. It will happen, he is a player of enormous potential and I can't wait to see all the people who have doubted him jump on the Watson bandwagon when it does happen...
four_or_six
Cricketer Of The Year
Agreed
Perhaps this is also the reason for the general dislike against him then.