Boycott vs Greenidge vs Smith

[capt_Luffy]

Dude, I was just naming the partnerships. And Haynes, while not overly aggressive, was balanced and capable of pushing the over rate. He wasn't a 38 s/r guy, at least not from my watching .

Do you have a problem with a 38 s/r opener?

 

[kyear2]

Which is better than 5(5), cos you have dealt with a chunk of the new ball.

I'm not using seeing off the new ball as a substitution for scoring. But it is a really valuable part of an opener's job.

Understood, all I'm saying is that either way, one can and still do get out early sometimes.

 

[kyear2]

Do you have a problem with a 38 s/r opener?

I was answering a question.

 

[kyear2]

Haynes maybe had a more attritional outlook but his technique and strokeplay against pace is similar to Michael Slater and Alec Stewart I think.

Haynes was very strong off his legs and would punish you outside the off stump if you dropped short. I recall Wasim near the end of his career giving him issues and him opening his stance to counter him.

He was the perfect foil to Sir Cuthbert though.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I was answering a question.

No no genuine question, as you sometimes gives, imo, too much emphasis on the S/R

 

[kyear2]

No no genuine question, as you sometimes gives, imo, too much emphasis on the S/R

I wouldn't open an innings with Hutton and Sutcliffe.

And while I understand Coronis's argument, everytime he brings up Hutton's s/r it pushes me further from him rather than the intended goal of acceptance towards the rest of them.

There's just not enough viable options among the openers, so I go with the one who faced the best bowlers. For now.....

But yes, I do think being proactive is a good thing and s/r is important. The guys that cut out shots and averaged the same as guys who didn't and took the attack to the bowlers, just weren't as good. It means you couldn't do it. It's easier for Viv to shut shop and defend than it would be for Kallis or Dravid to up the ante in a chase for a win. Not really an attribute.

Just my opinion, not trying to change anyone's mind.

 

[Coronis]

Dude, I was just naming the partnerships. And Haynes, while not overly aggressive, was balanced and capable of pushing the over rate. He wasn't a 38 s/r guy, at least not from my watching .

Yeah true he was 45. Closer to Sutcliffe than he was to Langer.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Strike rate is somewhat dependent on era

 

[kyear2]

Strike rate is somewhat dependent on era

Very

 

[Coronis]

Very

This raises interesting questions about some of your posts. But lets not get into that.

 

[kyear2]

Yeah true he was 45. Closer to Sutcliffe than he was to Langer.

Yeah, 45 is a bit on the low side, but I guess acceptable for an opener? It seems like an arbitrary cut off, but I've said the guys in the 30's is a bit much. And it's not just numbers, Boycott's basically copied his play style where he basically played for himself.
For the middle order I would prefer to be closer to 50 or above.

I don't need everyone to be IVA, but not in the mid or high 30's either.

 

[kyear2]

This raises interesting questions about some of your posts. But lets not get into that.

You do know I understand that Sutcliffe's etc were also a by product of his era. But from reports and literature he was described as dour, even compared to his compatriots.

And you don't need to leave a snide remark after every post. We don't have to see things the same way.

 

[capt_Luffy]

You do know I understand that Sutcliffe's etc were also a by product of his era. But from reports and literature he was described as dour, even compared to his compatriots.

And you don't need to leave a snide remark after every post. We don't have to see things the same way.

In all honesty, Len Hutton also did had a S/R similar to Sutcliffe....

 

[kyear2]

In all honesty, Len Hutton also did had a S/R similar to Sutcliffe....

He did, and I was quite surprised.

Part of why I still rate Hutton higher though, is the far superior level of bowling he faced and quite frankly what he over came after the war (training) injury.

And we never watched any of these guys, just had to go on what we read, and yes, him and Headley were somewhat lowered when the s/r were revealed. Headley's though was a touch easier to understand considering the team he was in? But yeah, both of them.

 

[BazBall21]

Haynes was very strong off his legs and would punish you outside the off stump if you dropped short. I recall Wasim near the end of his career giving him issues and him opening his stance to counter him.

He was the perfect foil to Sir Cuthbert though.

I like him against pace. Had that bit of extra time to play his shots and was languid&measured. Good clarity, speed and precision in his footwork. Gets into good positions with an ensuring balance and natural flourish. Played very orthodox strokes off both feet and has that tight back and across technique like Slater, Stewart and Richardson. Solidity and flair.

Away record obviously disappointing at face value but he does have a better range of good overseas performances than his away average suggests. India is the only place he was never effective.

 

[Jumno]

Greenidge