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So much negativity and unwillingness to give a guy any credit. I don't get why you're sour about it.
Oh well.
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Boxing thread
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Oh well.
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He's not being negative he's just being accurate.
hendrix
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I'm not sure what you want me to say, *****. I enjoyed the spectacle, just as I said I would before the fight. I wasn't expecting a good fight and that damn sure wasn't a good fight, but I'm certainly not sour about it.
I enjoy watching boxing and other sports because I enjoy watching top level professionals displaying supreme skills in highly competitive fights. And if it's not at the top level, I like for it to at least be competitive - e.g. Whyte vs Chisora. This was not a competitive fight and there wasn't a particularly high degree of skill on display.
Again, I enjoyed it for the spectacle but I'm going to call a spade a spade. That's not "negative" or "sour".
Lillian Thomson
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It's the best record of anyone who's retired unbeaten. Hardly nothing. Though admittedly the less than great Joe Calzaghe's 46-0 record proves it means less than it might.
It often indicates a risk-averse career. Something that Rocky, Calzaghe could attest to.
Floyd, although he has a great resume of fighters he has beaten, there have often been carefully calculated weight classes that are to his advantage. Weight drained fights like Canelo, Corrales and Cotto were ridiculous and he deliberate missed weight and came in huge against Marquez. He's without doubt an all-time great in the ring but he's the absolute GOAT at maximising advantages in terms of the timings and weights of the bouts he has fought in.
hendrix
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He certainly maximised the fact that he could set whatever terms he wanted in his late career, that's true but also not unique to Floyd.
I don't particularly care about the unbeaten record when rating the legacy of a boxer. I think what's more impressive are the wins on his resume which are elite. Particularly mid-career - Oscar De La Hoya, Arturo Gatti, Ricky Hatton, Castillo, Corrales, Chavez etc etc. And then his later career wins - even if they were a bit pick-and-choose - are still more impressive than most people's whole resume - Canelo, Pacquiao, Cotto, Marquez, Maidana. You can say that Canelo was weight drained at 152 and for sure he was, but still that's heavier than Floyd usually fights at so I don't think it's particularly unfair.
I don't particularly care about the unbeaten record when rating the legacy of a boxer. I think what's more impressive are the wins on his resume which are elite. Particularly mid-career - Oscar De La Hoya, Arturo Gatti, Ricky Hatton, Castillo, Corrales, Chavez etc etc. And then his later career wins - even if they were a bit pick-and-choose - are still more impressive than most people's whole resume - Canelo, Pacquiao, Cotto, Marquez, Maidana. You can say that Canelo was weight drained at 152 and for sure he was, but still that's heavier than Floyd usually fights at so I don't think it's particularly unfair.
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Heart: GGG.
Head: slightly leaning towards Canelo due to youth and the bias he is generally shown by judges
hendrix
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I'm 50/50.
Some days I think Canelo has never been hit by a true middleweight, and for all his counter-punching ability he'll get shown up by someone able to box with a good jab and command the range of the fight. Other days I think Canelo will smash GGG's body and wear him down methodically. In any case, I think the Jacobs fight is kinda irrelevant because of the styles, and doesn't really hold much sway for this match.
Extremely intriguing match up.
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Was picking GGG before the Jacobs performance. I think Canelo can win if he keeps his work rate up.
Looking forward to the card actually. Quite a few unbeaten Goldenboy fighters that I havent seen too much of.
hendrix
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Usyk vs Huck next week.
Cruiserweight is ****ing stacked. No wonder Tony Bellew moved up to heavyweight - any of the guys in the Super Series would probably knock him out.
I'm picking Briedis and Usyk for the finals which is an awesome fight. Mike Perez is a dark horse.
Cruiserweight is ****ing stacked. No wonder Tony Bellew moved up to heavyweight - any of the guys in the Super Series would probably knock him out.
I'm picking Briedis and Usyk for the finals which is an awesome fight. Mike Perez is a dark horse.
Usyk vs Briedis seems the likely outcome.
Chocolatito rematch this weekend with Rungvisai
hendrix
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Roman Gonzalez was severely overrated IMO before his loss. And not because he's not good - he is indeed very good. But because his division was rather weak. And it's not just a case like Crawford where he makes everyone else look weak because of how good he is. There just wasn't that much talent. He's still good but not good enough to be making pound-for-pound lists IMO.
I'm really interested to see what Mike Perez can do at cruiserweight.
Briedis vs Usyk would be such an amazing fight. Usyk is so skillful but Briedis has awesome power as well as skill. I think I'd probably lean towards Briedis in that fight.
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