Biggest cricket moment when you've been at the ground

[Swervy]

Two totally different things.
Lbws that should have been out are exactly the same as a dropped catch - something that almost went to hand is just that - almost. There is no circumstance under which they could have been out. Dropped catches and out-lbws, however, are under normal circumstances out.
And the batsman doesn't deserve any credit for them not being.

Exactly. So we need to use something that DOES say that.

you are the only one who thinks we do...the rest of us can use our intellect and knowledge and love of the game to make judgements/come to decisions about batsmen

 

[marc71178]

All scorebooks show that he scored 484* - they just show also that he scored 17 in the same visit to the crease.

You defy believe.

He scored 501 runs, at no point was he dismissed.

That makes it 501*, which is in every scorebook.

 

[marc71178]

Hence the Headingley innings was the better.

I think I'll listen to someone who watched it thank you. They tend to know more about what they're talking than someone who wasn't even born at the time.

 

[marc71178]

Exactly. So we need to use something that DOES say that.

That something doesn't exist.

 

[Richard]

you are the only one who thinks we do...the rest of us can use our intellect and knowledge and love of the game to make judgements/come to decisions about batsmen

So you'd prefer use unquantifiable things when you can use quantifiable things?

 

[Richard]

I think I'll listen to someone who watched it thank you. They tend to know more about what they're talking than someone who wasn't even born at the time.

Yep - you can think whatever you want.
And I, I will think what I wish.

 

[Richard]

That something doesn't exist.

No, you just don't like it so you try to pretend it doesn't exist.

 

[marc71178]

No, you just don't like it so you try to pretend it doesn't exist.

So where does it exist then?

 

[Richard]

Same place any other statistic exists - when someone compiles it.

 

[Neil Pickup]

So you'd prefer use unquantifiable things when you can use quantifiable things?

Personally, yep.

 

[Richard]

Well obviously you don't use averages exclusively but once again I'll say there has never been a good batsman who hasn't scored lots and lots and lots of runs.

 

[marc71178]

Same place any other statistic exists - when someone compiles it.

I could compile a statistic based on hair colour when batsmen score their first run in International Cricket.

Would that make it a valid statistic by your reckoning?

 

[Richard]

Nope - because there's no reason why it should be anything other than coincidence.
It still wouldn't change the fact it existed, mind.

 

[Swervy]

So you'd prefer use unquantifiable things when you can use quantifiable things?

well yeah I guess.

To be honest , averages and the like are only points of interest for me. There are many things that statistics just dont pick up on.

All these figures have a place obviously in the game(and the second chance average has a tiny bit of merit, but nowhere near the importance you place on it),but they arent as important as the game itself....who really cares if Lara got dropped on 17 or whatever,for most, that doesnt really matter, the guy scored 501 without getting out..who really cares if Sehwag got dropped in his 190, what matters is how cricket fans,cricket players,cricket writers and commentators view the game....Jono thought that innings was great..and any innings worth almost 200 has to be considered great, whether they gave up no chances or 10 chances...you take your opportunities when you get them..thats what Sehwag did, thats what Lara did, thats what Botham did at Old trafford (the list of great innings with chances given is almost endless).

Richard, you seem to have no concept about what the game is really about...it isnt all just about nice neat and tidy statistics..its about physical struggle and emotion....and most of the time skill (although not always, a players battling instinct can almost overcome deficiencies in skill). Once you realise that, then maybe your understanding about what this game is about may increase.

 

[PAKMAN]

shoaib maliks 80 of 41 at lahore in 2003 (he absolutely battered pollock and kallis in the last overs )
world cup 99 match at bristol razzaq getting lara out after being hit for three fours jusr b4 and wasim akram and rashid latif blasting the ball all over the place in the last overs after a vey slow start (wich won me about 25 pounds for predicting the nearest to the final score)
it was my dream to watch shahid afridi in full flow live but every time iv bin hwen he was playin he either got out b4 i got to get into the stadium or he didnt score (hopefully some day that dream of mine would come true

 

[PAKMAN]

I was at the 1992 World Cup semi-final when Inzamam snatched victory away from NZ with a freak innings. I took my new girlfriend at the time and was so gutted I couldn't even talk to her for the rest of the night and she dumped me the next day saying I was ignoring her. She just didn't understand. Those were the worst 2 days of my life

awwwww sorry to hear that but Inzi was producing magic that day

 

[superkingdave]

1st Day of the test vs WI at OT in 95, baking hot day, WI bowled out for 216, Cork would later take a hattrick and Lara scored 87 & 145, but the defining moment of the day i was there was this quote from Cricinfo

Tea was taken 20 minutes early because the sun's reflection of the roof of a greenhouse was disturbing the batsmen.

and Dickie was umpiring, was hilarious

 

[marc71178]

Cork would later take a hattrick

Remember that well.

Turned on the TV at about 11.05 as he ran in to get the 3rd wicket, saw that thought "nice start" then found out it was the 3rd wicket of the day

 

[Jono]

well yeah I guess.

To be honest , averages and the like are only points of interest for me. There are many things that statistics just dont pick up on.

All these figures have a place obviously in the game(and the second chance average has a tiny bit of merit, but nowhere near the importance you place on it),but they arent as important as the game itself....who really cares if Lara got dropped on 17 or whatever,for most, that doesnt really matter, the guy scored 501 without getting out..who really cares if Sehwag got dropped in his 190, what matters is how cricket fans,cricket players,cricket writers and commentators view the game....Jono thought that innings was great..and any innings worth almost 200 has to be considered great, whether they gave up no chances or 10 chances...you take your opportunities when you get them..thats what Sehwag did, thats what Lara did, thats what Botham did at Old trafford (the list of great innings with chances given is almost endless).

Richard, you seem to have no concept about what the game is really about...it isnt all just about nice neat and tidy statistics..its about physical struggle and emotion....and most of the time skill (although not always, a players battling instinct can almost overcome deficiencies in skill). Once you realise that, then maybe your understanding about what this game is about may increase.

Brilliant post Swervy.

 

[biased indian]

Back o Topic

i have seen only 4 ODI so far

the fisrt one was the one Gavaskar scored his only 100 in ODI

the second one was were tendulkar to 5 wickets aganist Aus in Kochi

the third one was which later was thought to have been fixed the one aganist SA again at kochi

the fourth did have anthig good aganist Zim

and hoping to see the second inning of the game aganist PAK on Apr 2 since i wont be able to go in the morning