Better Test Batsman::: A Border vs. S Waugh

[grecian]

Waugh for me.

 

[ankitj]

As close as it gets. Steve Waugh was in many ways a natural successor of Allan Border. Neither was among the most flamboyant or naturally gifted batsmen, but both fighters to the core. Both fantastic captains and both useful part time bowlers too. Nearly impossible to split them.

 

[bagapath]

border for me. and where the **** is the poll?

 

[GuyFromLancs]

Cricket Web - Features: Our Cricketing Heroes - Allan Border

A top notch article on AB here.

One of the best I've read

Very good. Very profesional I might say.

Now a challenge - your reasons why Chris Martin can become a great test batsman in 600 words.

 

[Howe_zat]

Waugh was a minnow-basher.

I judge this from only having seen him in Ashes tests.

 

[dhillon28]

Allan Border as he played his best cricket in a team that didnt have no where as many good players as Steve Waugh did when he played his best cricket. It is much harder to perform in a lesser team than it is in a good team as there is more pressure on you.

Before any wise guy tells me that Steve Waugh played in that same team as border check his performances in that team as well:

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[benchmark00]

Allan Border as he played his best cricket in a team that didnt have no where as many good players as Steve Waugh did when he played his best cricket. It is much harder to perform in a lesser team than it is in a good team as there is more pressure on you.

Before any wise guy tells me that Steve Waugh played in that same team as border check his performances in that team as well:

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

Worth noting, however, that Waugh did his best work when the rest of the batting order had failed.

 

[vcs]

Allan Border as he played his best cricket in a team that didnt have no where as many good players as Steve Waugh did when he played his best cricket. It is much harder to perform in a lesser team than it is in a good team as there is more pressure on you.

Before any wise guy tells me that Steve Waugh played in that same team as border check his performances in that team as well:

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

Took 26 Tests to score his first hundred and then made England toil for 350 runs before they could dismiss him, WAG.

 

[dhillon28]

Worth noting, however, that Waugh did his best work when the rest of the batting order had failed.

I didnt say worth nothing, so dont put words into my mouth. Just not worth as much as what Border did for the reasons I mentioned.

 

[benchmark00]

I didnt say worth nothing, so dont put words into my mouth. Just not worth as much as what Border did for the reasons I mentioned.

Learn to read.

 

[dhillon28]

Learn to read.

fair point, but judging by the quality of your other posts, you can fault me for assuming that you don't know how to spell.

 

[benchmark00]

fair point, but judging by the quality of your other posts, you can fault me for assuming that you don't know how to spell.

I'd like to see a replay of your posting highlights with a great camera angle, however the package would be too short for significance.

You're a **** poster. I'm sure you've been told that before though.

 

[Burgey]

border for me. and where the **** is the poll?

 

[iamdavid]

Steve Waugh for me, I think his contribution purely as a batsman is generally underappreciated, probably because he wasn't always the most fluent player. People tend to remember him as a gritty and dependable accumulator, but it's worth remembering that for a few years in the mid-90's he was ranked the world's number 1 test bat, ahead of Lara and Tendulkar.

Consider that pitches were generally more 'sporting' throughout the 90's when Waugh was at his peak, although admittedly they were probably even more so during Border's time. Plus the calibre of the attacks Waugh confronted..Donald & Pollock, Curtley & Walsh, Wasim & Waqar, Murali..Kumble..etc. The bowling attacks of the 2000's pale in comparison, and while no doubt Border would've faced some terrific West Indian and Pakistani attacks throughout the 80's, I don't believe he faced the same uniform high standard of bowling as what Waugh was confronted with. His peak compares favourably statistically with more or less anybody too, averaging 59 over almost 100 tests from 1993 to 2001.

 

[deeps]

Steve Waugh.

 

[smash84]

Consider that pitches were generally more 'sporting' throughout the 90's when Waugh was at his peak, although admittedly they were probably even more so during Border's time. Plus the calibre of the attacks Waugh confronted..Donald & Pollock, Curtley & Walsh, Wasim & Waqar, Murali..Kumble..etc. The bowling attacks of the 2000's pale in comparison, and while no doubt Border would've faced some terrific West Indian and Pakistani attacks throughout the 80's, I don't believe he faced the same uniform high standard of bowling as what Waugh was confronted with. His peak compares favourably statistically with more or less anybody too, averaging 59 over almost 100 tests from 1993 to 2001.

Yes but his record against Pakistan is not good. In 20 tests he averages less than 35 IIRC.

 

[Prince EWS]

Poll

Poll added.

 

[stephen]

I had to go with the third option on this poll. Both an Alice in Wonderland and Futurama reference in the same option - not even Bradman could beat that.

 

[smash84]

Poll added.

Thank You for such timely introduction of the poll.

 

[dhillon28]

I'd like to see a replay of your posting highlights with a great camera angle, however the package would be too short for significance.

You're a **** poster. I'm sure you've been told that before though.

That really upsets me to hear that..........

aaahhh well!