thierry henry
International Coach
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Best six hitters
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marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
If you want to use stats than the only meaningful stat you can use is number scored - anything else involves changing the stats to suit - and the same stats can also be used to read the other way (6's per match there's players better than Cairns and %age of runs scored by 6s there's players better)thierry henry said:
The simple fact is that the West Indies from 1974/5 until 1991 expected Viv to get the bulk of their runs. This in turn meant that Viv for the most part had to curb his natural game. Therefore he could not be as free-swinging as Cairns has had the ability to be.
Of course this ends up reflecting his "poor ratio's" as opposed to Cairns, this can only be expected.
Look throughout modern cricket history, maybe even pre-war, at all the No.3's and No.4's, or that were their countries best batter. I mean the likes of Bradman, Crowe, Miandad, Gooch, Tendulkar, Flower, Hammond, Chappell, Sobers, Gavaskar, G.Pollock... the list goes on.
All these batsman had the ability to hit sixes (well maybe not so much Gavaskar, although I did see him go berserk once), but their requirement was to go out and accumulate runs, and alot of them, cause for the most part if they failed their team would lose the Test Match. Viv's amount of sixes, compared to these other primary 'run-getters' is great.
Cairns however is in a breed of aggressive middle-order batsman, who don't have this responsibility of accumulating alot of runs, therefore is more free to take the long handle approach to his batting, I'd expect him to hit more as a result. Probably most of the batters that are in this similar position to Cairns would have better "ratio's" than Viv.
Although '6 hitting' is quite specific, I see this thread as more than just '6 hitting' it's also about "dismantling attacks" when they have the freedom to '6 hit'.
This is where the argument turns a little, as the likes of Cairns, Klusener, L.Cairns, Holding, whilst being able to launch one over the ropes, were not as able to sustain this approach as long as a Viv or Sobers, as it was only a matter of time before the bowler got the above four.
I don't see it happening today, but it was a 'cricketing EVENT', a privilege, when the likes of Sobers, or Viv came anywhere close to play, and people travelled to go see it, why??? Cause people knew, just in case, on that day, they felt like it. That is the ONE THING Cairns doesn't have in this equation.
To me, that shows more to me in what the general cricketing public thinks of what the batter is capable of, than 'ratios'
Of course this ends up reflecting his "poor ratio's" as opposed to Cairns, this can only be expected.
Look throughout modern cricket history, maybe even pre-war, at all the No.3's and No.4's, or that were their countries best batter. I mean the likes of Bradman, Crowe, Miandad, Gooch, Tendulkar, Flower, Hammond, Chappell, Sobers, Gavaskar, G.Pollock... the list goes on.
All these batsman had the ability to hit sixes (well maybe not so much Gavaskar, although I did see him go berserk once), but their requirement was to go out and accumulate runs, and alot of them, cause for the most part if they failed their team would lose the Test Match. Viv's amount of sixes, compared to these other primary 'run-getters' is great.
Cairns however is in a breed of aggressive middle-order batsman, who don't have this responsibility of accumulating alot of runs, therefore is more free to take the long handle approach to his batting, I'd expect him to hit more as a result. Probably most of the batters that are in this similar position to Cairns would have better "ratio's" than Viv.
Although '6 hitting' is quite specific, I see this thread as more than just '6 hitting' it's also about "dismantling attacks" when they have the freedom to '6 hit'.
This is where the argument turns a little, as the likes of Cairns, Klusener, L.Cairns, Holding, whilst being able to launch one over the ropes, were not as able to sustain this approach as long as a Viv or Sobers, as it was only a matter of time before the bowler got the above four.
I don't see it happening today, but it was a 'cricketing EVENT', a privilege, when the likes of Sobers, or Viv came anywhere close to play, and people travelled to go see it, why??? Cause people knew, just in case, on that day, they felt like it. That is the ONE THING Cairns doesn't have in this equation.
To me, that shows more to me in what the general cricketing public thinks of what the batter is capable of, than 'ratios'
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age_master
Hall of Fame Member
meybe we should have a 6 hit off?
Gilchrist, Shewag, Afridi, Symonds, Cairns, Jayasuira and Ganguly?
Gilchrist, Shewag, Afridi, Symonds, Cairns, Jayasuira and Ganguly?
thierry henry
International Coach
hellnback, I don't believe that Richards (one of many world class performers in a tremendous batting line-up) had more pressure on him to perform and curb his instincts than Cairns (often the only world class performer in a struggling team). Not for a second. And certainly not enough to account for the fact that he hit sixes with three times the frequency that Richards did. And no, this thread is not about dismantling attacks, it's about six hitting.
thierry henry
International Coach
Not at all. Any reasonable person can look at and interpret these stats. You are just trying to obstruct the argument again. The difference between Richard's 84 sixes and Cairns 82 (I think? He just hit another one off that second rate spinner Shaun Pollock) is negligible. When you consider that Cairns has scored only 3000 runs, Richards almost 9000, and Richards has played many more innings and matches, it is obvious who the statistical leader is. Anyone with commonsense can also rule out the likes of Holding, who didn't hit enough sixes to be compared with Cairns or Richards. Just try to be reasonable for 5 seconds.
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Powell.age_master said:
age_master
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Mr Mxyzptlk said:
ohh yeah there are a few others like Flintoff and Astle etc
Mingster
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Number scored? OK.marc71178 said:
So Kallis should not be considered as one of the best batsmen in the world because he's not among the best scores in the world.
Same applies to Don Bradman, using YOUR theory.
Erm...heard of averages? And isn't that what we are trying to do with the sixes per matches?
Eclipse
International Debutant
Just because some batsman dont hit as many sixes as others does not mean they are not as good six hitters this is the case with Richards IMO.
As current example's Kallis and Ponting dont hit a huge amount of sixes like say Afridi or Cairns but when they actualy do decide they want to hit one both can strike that ball amazingly and a hell of alot better than many batsman who hit more sixes than they do.
As current example's Kallis and Ponting dont hit a huge amount of sixes like say Afridi or Cairns but when they actualy do decide they want to hit one both can strike that ball amazingly and a hell of alot better than many batsman who hit more sixes than they do.
BlackCap_Fan
State Vice-Captain
for some strange reason I get the idea that he didn't think you looked like an Alan Donald shirt.Langeveldt said:
Eclipse
International Debutant
He also smacked 7 Sixes against India in a match in the TVS cup they were all huge exept for one that he did not quite get to it still cleard the rope by a meater and a half.Craig said:
He played one of the most incredible shots in that innings a charging hook shot of Zaheer Khan he was about 2m down the pitch still managed to ajust and hit it for six.
Gaijin-san
Banned
I think Ponting must change his grip on the bat a lot. I think he plays with a fairly normal grip most of the time, but if he decides he's going to really target the bowler he switches to long handle. For example, when he comes down the wicket he really takes a giant swing and sometimes his hand will come off the bat. This explains why some of his sixes go so far, I think.
It might well be the same for the pull shot of his. They go FAR.
It might well be the same for the pull shot of his. They go FAR.
Langeveldt
Soutie
That would be no more insane than the guy who thought I was Kristin DavisBlackCap_Fan said: