Best Part-Time Bowlers

[marc71178]

Mark Butcher isn't too bad if he gets it right with the ball (and I guess he really can be defined as part-time).

He only tends to bowl when the conditions are just right for him - hence his misleading record.

 

[marc71178]

17 wickets @ 24.70 and econ of 4.16? It's good, but it's nothing to be ecstatic about, especially when you consider that he got taken off whenever he was caned...

And when you consider it's over 34 games - so that'll be 0.5 wickets per game - a specialist bowler?

 

[Magrat Garlick]

And when you consider it's over 34 games - so that'll be 0.5 wickets per game - a specialist bowler?

Actually, it's 26. I chucked out the Ban/Zim/Ken/Ned/Nam games, as that is apparently what we should do when judging players...

 

[marc71178]

Which makes it a bit hard on the likes of Streak and Taibu!

 

[Langeveldt]

When the captain gives Andre Nel a break from his specialist talking, he can be quite a handy bowler

 

[Richard]

And even when he doesn't.

 

[Richard]

And when you consider it's over 34 games - so that'll be 0.5 wickets per game - a specialist bowler?

Because wickets per game matter so much, don't they?
Wickets per over is what matters.
And in OD-cricket they don't really matter much at all.

 

[Richard]

Actually, it's 26. I chucked out the Ban/Zim/Ken/Ned/Nam games, as that is apparently what we should do when judging players...

Like I say - if they very obviously change a record, you need to. If they just make a good one slightly better (see Inzamam-Ul-Haq and Youhana) you don't really need to worry too much.

 

[marc71178]

Because wickets per game matter so much, don't they?

How many specialist bowlers do you know that keep their place when they take 0.5 per game?

Wickets are a very important part of the One Day game, no matter how many times you try to deny it.

 

[Richard]

How many times will you try to get wickets-per-game into the equation when you know full well that if you're not bowling you're not going to get wickets. The only fair way to judge bowlers is SR, not wickets-per-game ratios.
And as for wickets in the one-day game - you can restrict teams easily by bowling economically. You don't need to take wickets if you're good enough. Of course, taking wickets is rarely a bad thing, but it's not too important if you can bowl economically.

 

[marc71178]

You said it was a record a specialist bowler would be proud of.

17 wickets in 34 games would not make a specialist bowler proud.

 

[Richard]

1) it wasn't 17 in 34, it was either 29 in 34 or 17 in 26.
2) 17 in 101 overs (a SR of 35.65) most certainly would make a specialist bowler proud.

 

[biased indian]

Yuvraj and Sarwan

 

[marc71178]

1) it wasn't 17 in 34, it was either 29 in 34 or 17 in 26.
2) 17 in 101 overs (a SR of 35.65) most certainly would make a specialist bowler proud.

101 overs in 26 matches would not make a specialist bowler proud.

Neither would 17 wickets in 26.

 

[Richard]

So, in fact it's the overs-per-game ratio that wouldn't make a full-time bowler proud.
Something I've never denied.
The wickets-per-game ratio isn't relevant.
All I said was the ER and average would make a specialist bowler proud.

 

[marc71178]

Wickets per game is an important ratio because wickets are the most important part of a game, be it a Test, an ODI or a Twenty20.

 

[Richard]

No, they're not - they're even less important in Twenty20 than one-day cricket.
Even if wickets were the most important part of any game, it still wouldn't make wickets-per-game anything other than totally irrelevant.
Because you can't take wickets if you don't bowl overs.
So therefore wickets-per-over - or balls-per-wicket - is the only thing that matters.

 

[Pinkline Jones]

Thanks for clearing that up Richard, how utterly profound "You Can't Take Wickets if you don't Bowl Overs", yes and you can't get hold of your dole money if you don't complete the paper work. Deary deary me.

 

[chaminda_00]

Jaysuriya is the best part time bowlers their every has been. Their is no one that comes close to him.

 

[Zinzan]

Jaysuriya is the best part time bowlers their every has been. Their is no one that comes close to him.

Probably a fair call, however totally depends on the defination of "part-time" because in ODI's i'd consider Jaya to be an allrounder