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Best Overall Cricketer?
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Eclipse
International Debutant
Masterblaster Gilly has never had a cold patch in test cricket apart from those 2 test in India.
In test cricket he has hardly been anything but hot and while at some stage you would expect him to have a lean trot it has not occerd yet and he deserves credit for it.
My point is so far there are no signes he is a hot- cold cricketer in test cricket even in ODi's he is still fairly consistent.
And scoring speed does matter especialy when you bat at number 7 and it's not like it's costing him consistency.
As an oppener/ top order batsman scoring speed is not as relevent but If you bat at number 7 the only way to make runs consistently is to score them quickly because you dont get many opertunitys half the time.
In test cricket he has hardly been anything but hot and while at some stage you would expect him to have a lean trot it has not occerd yet and he deserves credit for it.
My point is so far there are no signes he is a hot- cold cricketer in test cricket even in ODi's he is still fairly consistent.
And scoring speed does matter especialy when you bat at number 7 and it's not like it's costing him consistency.
As an oppener/ top order batsman scoring speed is not as relevent but If you bat at number 7 the only way to make runs consistently is to score them quickly because you dont get many opertunitys half the time.
Mr Mxyzptlk
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As has been stated several times before, Gilchrist scores his runs most times with Australia at 400+, therefore, they are not that necessary generally.
He is able to come out and basically smash the ball as he likes with no real penalty if he fails. Also, Gilchrist is dropped so many times (as most of the Aussies are). I think it has something to do with dominant manner of the Aussies...it demoralizes the opposition.
Gilchrist is talented, but his average is inflated a bit above his talent.
He is able to come out and basically smash the ball as he likes with no real penalty if he fails. Also, Gilchrist is dropped so many times (as most of the Aussies are). I think it has something to do with dominant manner of the Aussies...it demoralizes the opposition.
Gilchrist is talented, but his average is inflated a bit above his talent.
masterblaster
International Captain
Yeah I agree with you there mate.Mr Mxyzptlk said:
Eclipse
International Debutant
That may be the case but Gilly is our best performer when the team is in trouble and If you look at his 50s and 100s you will notice he has made alot of runs for the team when we are in tough situations.
And he DOES NOT get droped alot thats just pure crap based on the fact he was droped somthing like 9 times on the tour of England but apart from that he does not get droped much at all as in all these things they even out with time and it's no longer valid to say Ohh gilly has souch a high avrage because he gets droped alot it's just not true anymore.
It's Not ture that Australian batsman get droped more than others it just seems that way because we have batsman who make you pay big time if you do drop them.
And he DOES NOT get droped alot thats just pure crap based on the fact he was droped somthing like 9 times on the tour of England but apart from that he does not get droped much at all as in all these things they even out with time and it's no longer valid to say Ohh gilly has souch a high avrage because he gets droped alot it's just not true anymore.
It's Not ture that Australian batsman get droped more than others it just seems that way because we have batsman who make you pay big time if you do drop them.
aussie_beater
State Vice-Captain
Gilly has been dropped in one of his great innings that I have seen.He was dropped twice(regulation catches) in his innings against India in Mumbai in 2001 where he singlehandedly took the match away from India when Australia was in trouble having lost 5 wickets with 90 odd runs on the board in the first innings.Eclipse said:
But these catches being dropped doesn't make him any lesser batsman....it just adds to the aura of Gilchrist being an alien :alien8: :alien8:
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Eclipse
International Debutant
Are you sure??aussie_beater said:Gilly has been dropped in one of his great innings that I have seen.He was dropped twice(regulation catches) in his innings against India in Mumbai in 2001 where he singlehandedly took the match away from India when Australia was in trouble having lost 5 wickets with 90 odd runs on the board in the first innings.
But these catches being dropped doesn't make him any lesser batsman....it just adds to the aura of Gilchrist being an alien :alien8: :alien8:
I remember him being droped on 46 in that innings a real tough running chance but thats the only one I can think off?
Mr Mxyzptlk
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I saw Gilchrist dropped at least 3 times when West Indies were in Australia- twice before 35 and once first ball.
I also saw Gilchrist dropped 5 times in one session against England in 2001.
I also saw Gilchrist dropped 5 times in one session against England in 2001.
Mr Mxyzptlk
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My point is that Gilchrist's stats are inflated.aussie_beater said:
aussie_beater
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Oh yes I am sure. He was dropped by Badani(sub) when his score was less then 50 and he had miscued a sweep off Harbhajan. Then he was again dropped by Rahul Sanghvi when he was close to his hundred I think, this time off Sachin's bowling.Eclipse said:
krkode
State Captain
Just a thing about Gilchrist: He's certainly a highly talented batsman, but his batting comes with little pressure - atleast in Tests.
The top 6 batsman who come before him usually demolish the opposition beyong recognition and then all he has to come and do is add insult to injury to the poor bowlers :wow: :saint:
His test stats mightn't be the same if perhaps he was on some other team, or maybe if he opened the innings, but then again, these are perks you get for being on Australia
The top 6 batsman who come before him usually demolish the opposition beyong recognition and then all he has to come and do is add insult to injury to the poor bowlers :wow: :saint:
His test stats mightn't be the same if perhaps he was on some other team, or maybe if he opened the innings, but then again, these are perks you get for being on Australia
Eclipse
International Debutant
Yes but thast only a valid argument when you could say Gilly only perforems when the team is under no pressure.krkode said:Just a thing about Gilchrist: He's certainly a highly talented batsman, but his batting comes with little pressure - atleast in Tests.
The top 6 batsman who come before him usually demolish the opposition beyong recognition and then all he has to come and do is add insult to injury to the poor bowlers :wow: :saint:
His test stats mightn't be the same if perhaps he was on some other team, or maybe if he opened the innings, but then again, these are perks you get for being on Australia
Facts are it has been proven before that he playes his best innings when the team is in a tough situation. No joke he is the one guy I would want comming in at 120-5 Along with S.Waugh.
V Reddy
International Debutant
Gilchrist has also played several match winning innings when his side was in trouble. I remember his innings where he scored a century against Pakistan to win the match for AUS. And that innings in Mumbai too. It was he who took the game away for India as he played very aggressively. So whenever he got the chance to play when AUS were in trouble he most often succeeded . It is not his problem that he doesn't get the chance to play when AUS are in trouble but when he gets he most often succeeds. About the luck he gets, other players get it too but in the form of LBW decisions,so it doesn't get noticed. Adam's problem is he gets most of the luck in one innings so it is noticed.
Eclipse
International Debutant
Yes I very much agree.vishnureddy said:
Those who know him and see him play alot know he has proven himself to be very good when the team needs him and it really iritates us when people say things like "Gilly has life easy he would not make as many runs if he had to bat under more pressure"
Well he has proven to those that care to notice that he is a genuine match winner and can be realied on to make runs when the team needs them.
And just because some crappy English players droped him 5 times in an innings once does not mean he gets droped all the time.
Gilly has always been a match winner I remember his 189* aginst South Australia in the sheild final way back comming in when the team was in real trouble that was an amazing innings.
aussie_beater
State Vice-Captain
I completely agree with that. Gilchrist has redefined test match batting in a way that very few have even tried. And he sure is one hell of a match winner because he can singlehandedly take a match away as he has shown quite a number of times, specially with his innings against Pakistan a few years ago and his innings against India in Mumbai in 2001.IMO, he is the greatest wicket keeper batsman ever and his keeping isn't bad either.