best new ball pair ?

[Zinzan]

I want to see how they compared with other pairs. Lolol @ people getting upset about this, ofcourse West Indies would have the best bowlers everytime.

Don't flatter yourself. Truth be-known, I doubt people really care enough to be upset, think most just realize how pathetically transparent you are.

Like Zaremba, I knew the moment I saw you that started this thread that your true motive was that of talking up Windies bowlers and to rubbish any others combo thrown in the mix

 

[Smudge]

Don't flatter yourself. Truth be-known, I doubt people really care enough to be upset, think most just realize how pathetically transparent you are.

Like Zaremba, I knew the moment I saw you that started this thread that your true motive was that of talking up Windies bowlers and to rubbish any others combo thrown in the mix

AWTA.


By the way, my vote would be for Franklin Rose and Reon King.

 

[sammy2]

Don't flatter yourself. Truth be-known, I doubt people really care enough to be upset, think most just realize how pathetically transparent you are.

Like Zaremba, I knew the moment I saw you that started this thread that your true motive was that of talking up Windies bowlers and to rubbish any others combo thrown in the mix

My motives ? Why aren't my motives already clear ? instead of you making up **** you think you know ? Am I talking up WI bowlers while dissing bowlers from other countries ? Get real. I made this thread to see comparison between opening bowlers, avg runs, wickets etc. WI had alot of good combos, stop hating me because I know my history and isn't afraid to say WI players are better because the stats agree. I am proud, and if you think this lil WI boy should keep quiet you better think amother****ing gain.

 

[bagapath]

There have been so many.

Among those not yet mentioned here

• Lindwall and Miller
  
• Lillee and Thomson
  
• Roberts and Holding
  
• Marshall and Garner
  
• Gregory and MacDonald

donald and pollock?

 

[The Sean]

And speaking of great South African partnerships - Adcock and Heine were also a superb combination, despite only playing together in a dozen Tests.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Procter and vd Bijl

 

[GIMH]

My motives ? Why aren't my motives already clear ? instead of you making up **** you think you know ? Am I talking up WI bowlers while dissing bowlers from other countries ? Get real. I made this thread to see comparison between opening bowlers, avg runs, wickets etc. WI had alot of good combos, stop hating me because I know my history and isn't afraid to say WI players are better because the stats agree. I am proud, and if you think this lil WI boy should keep quiet you better think amother****ing gain.

If you know that the stats agree then why do you need other people to post them for you?

 

[Richard]

And speaking of great South African partnerships - Adcock and Heine were also a superb combination, despite only playing together in a dozen Tests.

Adcock-Heine; Pollock-Procter; Donald-deVilliers; Donald-Pollock. All terrific opening salvos fit to rank with the best of them.

 

[rivera213]

In my era:

Ambrose-Walsh and Wasim-Waqar.

Allan Donald was on the decline as Shaun Pollock was starting to make waves so I wouldn't put that partnership up with the other 2.

 

[SJS]

donald and pollock?

Yeah. Just forgot

 

[zaremba]

If you know that the stats agree then why do you need other people to post them for you?

= the winning post in this thread-within-a-thread

 

[fredfertang]

= the winning post in this thread-within-a-thread

And that from a man who earns his living by asking folk questions he already knows the answer to

 

[Evermind]

Aren't we forgetting the fearsome duo of Ishant "The Man-Mountain' Sharma and Zaheer 'The Soul-Crusher' Khan? I pee in my pants just thinking about them.

 

[zaremba]

In my era:

Ambrose-Walsh and Wasim-Waqar.

Allan Donald was on the decline as Shaun Pollock was starting to make waves so I wouldn't put that partnership up with the other 2.

I don't agree - Donald was pretty formidable in 1995 when Pollock made his debut, and Pollock was world-class pretty much immediately.

 

[andruid]

Pollock and Ntini

 

[Richard]

Allan Donald was on the decline as Shaun Pollock was starting to make waves so I wouldn't put that partnership up with the other 2.

Umm... no. Donald and Pollock were both on top form between 1995/96 and 2001. It was only in 2001/02 that Donald was on the decline. As a matter of fact, Pollock started on the decline from the exact same point in time - it's just Donald's lasted only a couple of matches and Pollock's (because he was much younger) a fair while.

Donald and de Villiers was also a terrific opening partnership, but Donald and Pollock was better. And certainly better as a new-ball partnership than Waqar and Wasim (obviously not a patch with the old-ball, as no other partnership ever has been). Far more likely than not a better one than Ambrose-Walsh too.

Ambrose-Bishop, however, might indeed have been > Donald-Pollock.

If you watched the 1998 England vs SA series you'd realise that Donald was still as good as ever. He was the best seam-bowler going around, at the age of 31. That he had not been the best around for the previous 4 years, too, is extremely unlikely.

 

[sammy2]

Did I just read that pollock and donald was better than walsh and ambrose... LOL LOL

I have heard it all now.

 

[rivera213]

Umm... no. Donald and Pollock were both on top form between 1995/96 and 2001. It was only in 2001/02 that Donald was on the decline. As a matter of fact, Pollock started on the decline from the exact same point in time - it's just Donald's lasted only a couple of matches and Pollock's (because he was much younger) a fair while.

Donald and de Villiers was also a terrific opening partnership, but Donald and Pollock was better. And certainly better as a new-ball partnership than Waqar and Wasim (obviously not a patch with the old-ball, as no other partnership ever has been). Far more likely than not a better one than Ambrose-Walsh too.

Ambrose-Bishop, however, might indeed have been > Donald-Pollock.

If you watched the 1998 England vs SA series you'd realise that Donald was still as good as ever. He was the best seam-bowler going around, at the age of 31. That he had not been the best around for the previous 4 years, too, is extremely unlikely.

I saw the '98 series, Donald was awesome but Donald post-1999 was only good at home with pitch assistance or against shoddy batting line-ups. Shaun Pollock was at peak 1998 onwards, though he was quality from ball 1. It helped his first 10 tests were at home with a fast bouncy wicket.

Pollock unfortunately had to change his role in the SA team and became more of a "line and length" bowler as opposed to the speedier bowler he was to start with.

But, in any case, a 4-year period doesn't constitute being a deadly duo IMO. The Akram-Younis & Ambrose-Walsh partnerships had over double that of domination.

Akram and Younis could swing the new ball better than most could swing the old and made batsmen of the highest calibre look stupid. Ambrose and Walsh at peak were 1 of the scariest new ball partnerships there's been, even when Ambrose lost his pace he was still quality and Walsh was good even til his retirement.

 

[zaremba]

Did I just read that pollock and donald was better than walsh and ambrose... LOL LOL

I have heard it all now.

In Tests played together:

Pollock and Donald: 397 wickets @ 21.84
Wash and Ambrose: 762 wickets @ 22.67

Ambrose and Walsh of course were around for much longer and therefore took more wickets, but it's not ridiculous to say that Pollock and Donald were better.

 

[zaremba]

Wasim and Waqar: 559 wickets @ 22.12