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Best Indian Captain Of All Time

Who is the best Indian Captain of All Time?

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asty80

School Boy/Girl Captain
From the time I've been following cricket (late 80's), only 2 have stood out. Ganguly and Dhoni.

Sachin and Dravid were not man-managers in any way. Azhar was like the dad who was the head of the family but didnt know in which class his kid studied. Kumble was a close third, but a great trait of the best captains is a cool head and a stoic face in adversity. I think Kumble was pipped in these by the 2 I've mentioned.

Ganguly tapered off towards the end but he still has a great legacy. Dhoni has a very bright future and I'll hope when he retires as the greatest captain India had. He has the potential.

I havent watched MAK Pataudi (highly rated here) in action so will refrain frm making comparisons.
 

bagapath

International Captain
Which channel?
one of the NDTV channels at 10 pm

the interviewer was a cricket tragic reeling of stats from 40 years ago, quoting the scorecards and discussing specific dismissals while pataudi merely nodded most of the time. when that guy got excited about chandra bowling clive lloyd round the legs in th 74-75 calcutta test pataudi corrected him saying it brushed the front pad and hit the stumps and did not go around his legs. skipper remembers clearly how things happened then.
 
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Cruxdude

International Debutant
Sachin's defeats in the 90s were a combination of bad captaincy, very poor luck (imagine a tour of Australia followed by SA coming home so soon after taking up captaincy) and a really dreadful team.

I was one among the many who wanted Sachin to take up captaincy after Dravid stepped down, in the hope that now with a better team he could correct the results. But after seeing his captaincy of Mumbai Indians I am happy he didn't do it. It could have been a bad end to a great career.

I haven't seen any captain before Azhar. Azhar fixed matches so he shouldn't be counted. Ganguly was an inspirational captain. In his later days I felt his captaincy went down along with his form. Kumble was good. He did a good job in the short time he had. Dhoni has had a great start, but I feel he also suffers from playing it a bit too safe at times. It is still early days for him and he could well go on to be the captain who takes India to the top.
 

kingkallis

International Coach
From the time I've been following cricket (late 80's), only 2 have stood out. Ganguly and Dhoni.

Sachin and Dravid were not man-managers in any way. Azhar was like the dad who was the head of the family but didnt know in which class his kid studied. Kumble was a close third, but a great trait of the best captains is a cool head and a stoic face in adversity. I think Kumble was pipped in these by the 2 I've mentioned.

Ganguly tapered off towards the end but he still has a great legacy. Dhoni has a very bright future and I'll hope when he retires as the greatest captain India had. He has the potential.

I havent watched MAK Pataudi (highly rated here) in action so will refrain frm making comparisons.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Rantings on Tendulkar's captaincy

The First Tenure


Tendulkar had a winning start versus Australia in the one off test in which Nayan Mongia made 150. It seemed like the next logical step in a career which had progressed smoothly, a career graph which was always on the rise. Then came the tests versus South Africa and India managed to win the test series along with the tri nation series between Australia, India and South Africa (The Titan Cup) at home. It looked like Indian cricket was looking at the dawn of a new era.

It was a false dawn though. Tendulkar's real test was to come in South Africa and India were humiliated losing 2-0 with the worst moment coming in Durban where India were skittled out for a 100. India had an opportunity to regain lost ground versus the West Indies in 1997 and India had some proud moments in the series like Sidhu's 200. India failed the litmus test once again being meekly out in Barbados on a deadly wicket when they required around 150 to win. What hurt was that the last wicket West Indian partnership was of 40-45 runs, exactly the margin by which India lost the test and the series. India had no Srinath in this series but they had an in form Venkatesh Prasad (who had had a terrific series versus South Africa), debutant Abey Kuruvilla and Anil Kumble. It was an opportunity lost and a test win in the West Indies after eons was a long way away, let alone a series win.

Then Tendulkar had a home and away series versus Sri Lanka. In the away series, Lanka piled on a world record breaking 952. All tests ended in draws but Tendulkar was to be sacked as national captain. Some felt it was a premature decision while others felt it was apt as Tendulkar had failed to win matches for India and failed to live upto the expectations of the public. The captaincy was given back to Azharuddin. Musical chairs were played with the Indian captaincy again, much like in the Kapil Dev - Gavaskar era.

The Second Tenure

When Tendulkar was given the captaincy a second time, it is said that he didn't want to accept it but reluctantly took it. The musical chair had brought the captaincy back to Tendulkar and he had a chance for redemption. India started off in familiar territory - home versus New Zealand and India won the series 1-0.

The real test was to come versus Australia in Australia. As visitors past and present have found out, an Australian tour can be unrelenting. India were lambs abroad and Australia slaughtered them 3-0. Gavaskar commented that there wasn't enough talent in the team. India also lost 10 of the 11 gaes of the tri-nation One Day Series featuring Australia and Pakistan.

Tendulkar faced Cronje's South Africa at home next and he couldn't have asked for a sterner test. Cronje was one of the best captains of his generation along with Mark Taylor and was highly regarded before the match fixing scandal cast it's ugly shadow on South Africa's favorite son. Cronje succeeded in doing what no captain had managed in a decade, win in India. The achievement got unnoticed in the match fixing scandal which followed but it was no mean achievement. Tendulkar took personal responsibility for the poor showing in Australia and resigned as captain.

Why Tendulkar failed as captain

There are many theories as to why Tendulkar failed as captain. Some say he was not a natural leader of men, others point out that he was always a choker while still others say that he had too much faith in Mumbai players who didn't reap the rewards for him - guys like Nilesh Kulkarni, Abey Kuruvilla and the ilk.

What I have always believed is that Tendulkar has had a great cricketing mind. You can see it when he is giving his suggestions to the captain in charge or when he is mixing his deliveries while bowling. He took a five wicket hawl in an ODI v Australia to win the match for India purely based on his bowling tact.

India translate this precious resource into a great leader of men for various reasons and I'll touch on them here. Firstly, Tendulkar got players that he wanted but he never really got all the players that he wanted. He was given Noel David in West Indies in 1997, a player he had not seen play when he asked for Sairaj Bahutule. You get the players you can command as a captain. Ganguly had wins to show for him and he got the Saba Karims and Laxmi Ratan Shuklas into the team because he achieved a power through sheer victories.

Tendulkar never had victories to command that kind of power and that fault will rest on Tendulkar and no one else. The challenges were tough but they are never easy. In the end you have to stride over them despite what the challenges are. Ganguly did it, Steve Waugh did it with his batting. Hell even Bradman was dropped for a test. It is never easy.

Tendulkar's biggest mistake was that he expected others to give the commitment that he always brought to the ball park. When others naturally didn't deliver that for him, he was frustrated. Tendulkar made runs as captain, he even won tests for a while but he was never happy visibly from his face. There was a tension, distress in Tendulkar which was always noticeable. This is what the late Ashok Mankad, one of the greatest minds on cricket in India believed, and I believe too.

Tendulkar failed as captain and there is no excuse for it.

Part 4 - A possible third chance not taken

No one expected Tendulkar to get a third chance but as destiny would have it, the whole of India wanted Tendulkar to be captain a third time. Ganguly had had his time in the sun, Dravid had been exhausted by the demands which is the Indian captaincy. India chose Anil Kumble and then Mahendra Singh Dhoni. Tendulkar missed a golden opportunity to lay his captaincy demons to rest.

Some say that it was he who suggested that Dhoni be given the captaincy. Why did Tendulkar not accept a third tenure? He had his personal game to look at and points to prove in that respect as he had been terribly inconsistent due to tennis elbow the past few years. More importantly, Tendulkar realised that his time in the spotlight had gone. It was time for a new generation to step forward and take India to new heights and Dhoni was that man. Tendulkar had already omitted himself from the T20 World Cup which India won incidentally - a sign for the future if ever there was one.

Would Tendulkar have been a good captain in his third tenure? No one can tell. He failed as the captain of Mumbai Indians and showed once again that he hadn't laid to rest the dead ghosts. Mumbai Indians was a team packed with talent but under achieved in IPL second edition. Despite all this, who knows, Tendulkar might have succeeded after all. He could have had Zaheer Khan, Ishant Sharma at his disposal. He didn't deserve another chance after being given two chances though - that much is sure. It would have been a step backwards and in the end, whether it was Tendulkar who suggested Dhoni's name or not, Dhoni was the man who deserved the captaincy to take India forward towards a new dawn.

EDIT - It's a rant, so every thing I said wont be accurate and to the text.
The thing about captaincy is that you need to be good at two facets to be a truly great captain..


1. Being a leader of men
2. Tactical nous.


Sachin was brilliant in the latter but lacked a lot in the former.. He is simply not the sort of a guy who can command and get the respect from the team... It is hard to explain exactly why but he is the sort of a guy who you are chums with but not the sort of a guy who you will be afraid to speak in front of or the sort of a guy whose every word you will obey. It is just a fault in an otherwise almost faultless cricketer. :)
 

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I've only seen the last five, Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, Kumble and Dhoni. Of those, I'd say MS Dhoni is the best captain by miles.
 

Pratters

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The thing about captaincy is that you need to be good at two facets to be a truly great captain..


1. Being a leader of men
2. Tactical nous.


Sachin was brilliant in the latter but lacked a lot in the former.. He is simply not the sort of a guy who can command and get the respect from the team... It is hard to explain exactly why but he is the sort of a guy who you are chums with but not the sort of a guy who you will be afraid to speak in front of or the sort of a guy whose every word you will obey. It is just a fault in an otherwise almost faultless cricketer. :)
Thank god at least some one read my loooong post. I don't know HB, Tendulkar commands a lot of respect and if he said some thing, you better sit back and listen. I know what you are saying but I don't think that's a fault of his. I agree with what Ashok Mankad said is his failing - he expects too much out of his players, to give a 100% and more like he gives it and the others don't perform to these expectations and he suffers, is let down. Cue - bowling Srinath for overs end hoping he would do the miracle job.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
I've only seen the last five, Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, Kumble and Dhoni. Of those, I'd say MS Dhoni is the best captain by miles.
I would say its too soon to declare Dhoni to be "miles" better than Ganguly. He's working off a platform built by Ganguly, and I'll give him a few years of success before I call him the best.

I will say thus far he seems the most instinctive of the captains you mentioned.
 

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I would say its too soon to declare Dhoni to be "miles" better than Ganguly. He's working off a platform built by Ganguly, and I'll give him a few years of success before I call him the best.

I will say thus far he seems the most instinctive of the captains you mentioned.
Ganguly's problem- a common one in captaincy, but one that's crucial to get right- was that he let it affect his batting. Dhoni's played 55 ODIs as captain thus far, and averages 59 in them- runs scored much faster than Ganguly ever scored his- all while keeping, too. He's won seven of the nine series in which he captained the side, his only losses being his first stint at home to Australia and the Asia Cup when Mendis went nuts in the final.

Granted, he's only captained the side in seven tests, but he's won his only three series and is yet to lose a test, so there's not much more you can ask for.

Enough of the bare facts though- I challenge anyone to look at the same side under Kumble and tell me Dhoni hasn't made a massive, massive difference. To me, his captaincy looks excellent- he keeps his bowlers focused, he always seems to have a plan that can play on a batsman's mind and he invariably gets the best out of players. And he's batting particularly well, too.

His record's flawless at the moment, so all you can say about him is that he hasn't been doing it long enough to say conclusively that he's a better captain than someone like Ganguly. Which is absolutely fair enough. If you decide there's not enough evidence to make a judgement, then you can reserve judgement for another year or so.

If you do want to make a judgement based on what we have seen though, Dhoni's comfortably the best captain an Indian team have had in my time of watching cricket. Period.
 

honestbharani

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Ganguly's problem- a common one in captaincy, but one that's crucial to get right- was that he let it affect his batting. Dhoni's played 55 ODIs as captain thus far, and averages 59 in them- runs scored much faster than Ganguly ever scored his- all while keeping, too. He's won seven of the nine series in which he captained the side, his only losses being his first stint at home to Australia and the Asia Cup when Mendis went nuts in the final.

Granted, he's only captained the side in seven tests, but he's won his only three series and is yet to lose a test, so there's not much more you can ask for.

Enough of the bare facts though- I challenge anyone to look at the same side under Kumble and tell me Dhoni hasn't made a massive, massive difference. To me, his captaincy looks excellent- he keeps his bowlers focused, he always seems to have a plan that can play on a batsman's mind and he invariably gets the best out of players. And he's batting particularly well, too.

His record's flawless at the moment, so all you can say about him is that he hasn't been doing it long enough to say conclusively that he's a better captain than someone like Ganguly. Which is absolutely fair enough. If you decide there's not enough evidence to make a judgement, then you can reserve judgement for another year or so.

If you do want to make a judgement based on what we have seen though, Dhoni's comfortably the best captain an Indian team have had in my time of watching cricket. Period.
Gotta agree that he is better as a batsman and also tactically as a captain than Ganguly.


But he did get to inherit a side with lesser thorns in it than Ganguly did. Ganguly made our team somewhat of a force and Dhoni now has the chance to take it further... If not for Ganguly, we won't have had proper coaches, physios, trainers etc... That sort of stuff cannot be forgotten though.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Ganguly's problem- a common one in captaincy, but one that's crucial to get right- was that he let it affect his batting. Dhoni's played 55 ODIs as captain thus far, and averages 59 in them- runs scored much faster than Ganguly ever scored his- all while keeping, too. He's won seven of the nine series in which he captained the side, his only losses being his first stint at home to Australia and the Asia Cup when Mendis went nuts in the final.

Granted, he's only captained the side in seven tests, but he's won his only three series and is yet to lose a test, so there's not much more you can ask for.

Enough of the bare facts though- I challenge anyone to look at the same side under Kumble and tell me Dhoni hasn't made a massive, massive difference. To me, his captaincy looks excellent- he keeps his bowlers focused, he always seems to have a plan that can play on a batsman's mind and he invariably gets the best out of players. And he's batting particularly well, too.

His record's flawless at the moment, so all you can say about him is that he hasn't been doing it long enough to say conclusively that he's a better captain than someone like Ganguly. Which is absolutely fair enough. If you decide there's not enough evidence to make a judgement, then you can reserve judgement for another year or so.

If you do want to make a judgement based on what we have seen though, Dhoni's comfortably the best captain an Indian team have had in my time of watching cricket. Period.
I agree with you mostly, though his captaincy against New Zealand recently was a tad conservative. He certainly has a better feel for captaincy than all the other.

Having said that, I generally judge captains more on test than ODIs, and he has only captained in seven tests thus far. Not near long enough to declare him India's greatest.

In his three series, he has either faced lesser opposition or had the major advantage of home conditions. Let him captain the team against Australia, SA, England or Sri Lanka abroad and we can better tell how he handles pressure. You also have to remember that being the keeper and proper batsman and captaining your side in all three formats may prove too much of a workload even on his steady shoulders.
 

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I agree with you mostly, though his captaincy against New Zealand recently was a tad conservative. He certainly has a better feel for captaincy than all the other.

Having said that, I generally judge captains more on test than ODIs, and he has only captained in seven tests thus far. Not near long enough to declare him India's greatest.

In his three series, he has either faced lesser opposition or had the major advantage of home conditions. Let him captain the team against Australia, SA, England or Sri Lanka abroad and we can better tell how he handles pressure. You also have to remember that being the keeper and proper batsman and captaining your side in all three formats may prove too much of a workload even on his steady shoulders.
Yeah, i think that's the key for me.

Ganguly did a lot more than Dhoni has so far, but he also did a lot wrong (screwed up his batting, lost a few series he should have won). Dhoni hasn't done as much for Indian cricket as Ganguly did, but thus far he's done everything perfectly. For me, he looks a better captain than any other Indian I've seen. He's just yet to prove it.
 

Himannv

Hall of Fame Member
Went for Dravid. I always felt he was a very underrated captain. Good tactician, fairly attacking captain as well. Maybe someday Dhoni might be one of the best though. His man management skills seem fairly advanced compared to the rest of them. Can't comment on the likes of Pataudi as I never saw him captain a side.
 

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
Dravid was crap IMO.
Yeah surely. More so when we are comparing with the likes of Pataudi, Ganguly or Dhoni. Dravid has to be the worst Indian captain among the ones I've seen live. I rank all of Azharuddin, Kumble and Sachin better than Dravid as a captain.

I've voted for Ganguly. Good to see Pataudi getting so many votes. Won't mind seeing him win this one. And Dhoni deserves a few more.
 
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Faisal1985

International Vice-Captain
Always felt that the current success of Dhoni would have been much harder to come had it not been for Ganguly to turn India from chokers to winners....even under Azhar India had the best batting line up of all times but kept on choking on big occassions..Ganguly turned it around imo and Dhoni is enjoying that now...
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Always felt that the current success of Dhoni would have been much harder to come had it not been for Ganguly to turn India from chokers to winners....even under Azhar India had the best batting line up of all times but kept on choking on big occassions..Ganguly turned it around imo and Dhoni is enjoying that now...
There are three notable periods of transition in Indian test cricket IMO -

1) Pataudi when every one started getting rid of their inferiority coplex and treated themselves as equal to the opponents.

2) Azhar - When we started to dominate at home. One can argue it was all because of Kumble and there is a school of thought which doesn't rate Azhar as captain but I do. He avoided controversy for most part of his career before match fixing and lead without showing off too much with poise.

3) Ganguly when we started to win abroad with Ganguly playing 3 fast bowlers, had the balls to replace Kumble with Harbhajan in the XI when Kumble was not doing that well.

That doesn't mean Dhoni can't be considered a better captain than all three or any of the other Indian captains mind, because he is pretty damn good.
 

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