Best Ever ODI XI

[bennyr]

Bevan may have done very well batting in those positions but taking the team situation in view, he's better off at 6 or 7.

I reckon Bevan was more effective at number four in most games i.e. I reckon he's the bloke you want coming in next drop after the first fifteen overs to keep the run rate ticking over in the middle overs. His average at number four (59.60) is pretty useful.

 

[tooextracool]

Batsmen should adapt and be prepared for occasional promotions when the match situation demands it. But I'm for a stable batting order where every player knows his role exactly.

umm the reason why we put him at 4 batting first and 7 batting second is so that he has the same role to play. in both cases he has to bat through the innings and keep the scoreboard ticking over,not worry about the slogging
if you think bevan batting at 7 under pressure when chasing 270 and bevan batting at no 7 when his team need big runs at 260/5 in 45 overs are the same roles then its no wonder that you rate sehwag higher than bevan.

 

[marc71178]

But I'm for a stable batting order where every player knows his role exactly.

But why not a flexible order where a batsman knows that he'll be going in next if the situation calls for a hitter or he goes in next if they need a nurdler?

In that situation, every batsman knows his role.

 

[chicane]

But why not a flexible order where a batsman knows that he'll be going in next if the situation calls for a hitter or he goes in next if they need a nurdler?

In that situation, every batsman knows his role.

Wonder why international teams don't change their orders so much then.....Because it's not easy for batsmen. Take India for example, even if the required RR is high on a hot chase, VVS will still come in in his usual position. He's not a great striker, but he's expected to adapt to the situation. Only in extreme cases will Yuvraj or a pinch hitter be sent ahead of him or even Dravid. Of course Ganguly has his superstitions but usually other teams also tend to maintain a standard batting order.

 

[chicane]

umm the reason why we put him at 4 batting first and 7 batting second is so that he has the same role to play. in both cases he has to bat through the innings and keep the scoreboard ticking over,not worry about the slogging
if you think bevan batting at 7 under pressure when chasing 270 and bevan batting at no 7 when his team need big runs at 260/5 in 45 overs are the same roles then its no wonder that you rate sehwag higher than bevan.

Dude you have a problem understanding other ppl. Read what I said again and then make what you want of it.

He's an awesome LOI player. But he's better for pressure situations or finishing off an innings. Sehwag is a totally different player for a totally different purpose. His job is to come in and wack everything out of the park and get the innings rollin. So if you want more firepower, Sehwag is better than Bevan.

 

[tooextracool]

Dude you have a problem understanding other ppl. Read what I said again and then make what you want of it.

you're not making any sense whatsoever. you said that bevan should bat at 7 all the time because he would have the same role which is ludicrous, and im saying that he should bat at 4, particularly when they bat first. i dont see the need to bring in someone like sehwag who is nowhere near as good an ODi batsman as bevan.

 

[chicane]

you're not making any sense whatsoever. you said that bevan should bat at 7 all the time because he would have the same role which is ludicrous, and im saying that he should bat at 4, particularly when they bat first. i dont see the need to bring in someone like sehwag who is nowhere near as good an ODi batsman as bevan.

I didn't bring Sehwag in. Just read back thru the thread.

 

[tooextracool]

I didn't bring Sehwag in. Just read back thru the thread.

do you even have a point here or are you just bringing up stuff for no apparent reason?

 

[pakster]

Seeing i can only go on players that i have seen...

Ghilchrist
Tendulkar
kalis
Ponting (captain)
sarwan
Inzi
beaven
Wasim
warne
murali
waqar


peace

 

[chicane]

do you even have a point here or are you just bringing up stuff for no apparent reason?

What's wrong with you? What are you talking about?

 

[a massive zebra]

Seeing i can only go on players that i have seen...

Ghilchrist
Tendulkar
kalis
Ponting (captain)
sarwan
Inzi
beaven
Wasim
warne
murali
waqar


peace

You picked Sarwan over Lara?

 

[chicane]

Seeing i can only go on players that i have seen...

Ghilchrist
Tendulkar
kalis
Ponting (captain)
sarwan
Inzi
beaven
Wasim
warne
murali
waqar


peace

Who would you pick as a third pacer?

 

[marc71178]

He has Kallis

 

[bhooth nath]

i guess the fact that i did not select bevan started a debate.

i would not pick afridi since he is not a consistent batsman. with a goo strike rate, a decent average and consistency are also needed. sehwag could come in, but in one-dayers, sehwag has not been as good as he is in tests. sehwag, does need to get a few more one-day runs to get into a all-time one-day xi. however, sehwag would be in a all-time indian one-day xi and also in a xi of the test players i have seen (1992-2004). in tests, sehwag has been consistent enough scoring about 1000 runs in the last 9 tests and the 3 series he has played. he has played, but in one-dayers, he does not have much to show besided 3-4 good innings.

bevan has an one-day strike rate of 74 and a 56 average which has been boosted by the high number of not-outs which he has has coming lower down the order. however, he did play 2 important knocks against england and new england to take australia to wins. bevan, has not done too much recently as well and players like viv richards get in ahead of him.

 

[Deja moo]

Ok what if the batsman avering 14, s/r over 100 yet bats at 6?

Again the question regarding the batsman with SR 100 And Average 14.
Why r u obsessed with this guy ? Who is this guy ?

Answer...NO.

 

[chicane]

He has Kallis

Doesn't cut it in an all-time XI

 

[Swervy]

bevan has an one-day strike rate of 74 and a 56 average which has been boosted by the high number of not-outs which he has has coming lower down the order. however, he did play 2 important knocks against england and new england to take australia to wins. bevan, has not done too much recently as well and players like viv richards get in ahead of him.

why does this thing about not outs always crop up...the aim of batting in what ever type of cricket is to score runs and try and not get out....all the not outs suggests the the opposition struggles to get bevan out,and for some reason you think that makes him a worse player.As I said a bit ago, no player in the history of the game knows how to bat a one day innings like Bevan does

 

[bennyr]

why does this thing about not outs always crop up...the aim of batting in what ever type of cricket is to score runs and try and not get out....all the not outs suggests the the opposition struggles to get bevan out,and for some reason you think that makes him a worse player.As I said a bit ago, no player in the history of the game knows how to bat a one day innings like Bevan does

Well put.

A player is far more likely to get out at the start of their innings rather than after they have got their eye in. For this reason, I reckon a large number of not outs actually indicates that a player's average would be higher if not for those not outs, rather than lower.

From my perspective, having Bevan in my all-time side is part of achieving balance against players with higher strike rates and lower averages (eg Gilchrist, Richards). You select both to give your team balance.

 

[Swervy]

Well put.

A player is far more likely to get out at the start of their innings rather than after they have got their eye in. For this reason, I reckon a large number of not outs actually indicates that a player's average would be higher if not for those not outs, rather than lower.

From my perspective, having Bevan in my all-time side is part of achieving balance against players with higher strike rates and lower averages (eg Gilchrist, Richards). You select both to give your team balance.

absolutely...and anyone who wouldnt put Bevan in an all time ODI team is just making their team weaker than it needs to be

 

[Ford_GTHO351]

and anyone who wouldnt put Bevan in an all time ODI team is just making their team weaker than it needs to be

Not having Bevan in a best ever ODI XI is the same as not having Bradman in a best ever Test XI, its just wouldn't be right.