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Lara's under-rating, as such, through statistical analysis, can largely be explained by the "Battle of the Test Innings" thread that we saw, and the volume of entries he had in there.
No Way I wrote that! thats what happens when you rush I guessBarney Rubble said:P.S. When I saw this thread, I thought it said "Best Batman of the last 10 years" - my reply was going to be "Definitely Christian Bale"....
Was not laughing at your favourite batsman’s, I like three of them immensely. I thought what you said about Aravinda was rather amusing though.open365 said:Okokokok, i'll change it.
1.Hayden
2.Smith
3.Lara
4.Tendulkar
5.Law
That's the one part I don't agree with. It's not the batsman's fault if his team can't win a match.Goughy said:Im sure many of you have read this already, but I have not seen it mentioned.
This was originally from the UK Wisden Cricketer and I read it in South African Sports Illustrated.
I thought it was relevant given the votes currently going on.
The theory was that averages, emotions and memories are not the best ways to subjectively rationalize who was the best batsmen.
They set 10 criteria that players were ranked in and then the list was produced.
The 10 Criteria (each of equal weighting)
- Score Ratio- Batting Average divided by that of their contemporaries
- Failure Rate- % of Innings under 20
- Conversion Rate- % of innings greater than 20 converted into 100s
- % of Match Centuries- % of all centuries in matches he played that were made by that individual
- % of Batsmens Runs- % of total runs scored in a game that were made by that individual
- % of Own Teams Runs
- Strike Rate
- Top Scorer- % of games in which he was top scorer
- Conventional Averages
[*]% of Centuries in Victories
FRAZ said:Number 2,3,6,7,9 and may be 5 also , under jeopardy tbh if the umpiring standard is the same like the one recently ..
Fair enouigh. I just personaly dont see the point in searching for the very best player through stats alone. And I think 99% of people would agree that Lara is a better batsman than Hayden. Showing that in depth statistical evidence is pointless.Goughy said:Its part of it but just because someone has an opinion does not make it right and there has to be a way to attempt to cut through all the crap to attempt to find an answer.
Thats what the atricle attempts to do. It does not say who you should like or want to watch but break it down.
I mean if I said Vaughan was the best batsman it would be my opinion but I would be wrong. I may think I was right, but just because its my opinion does not make it correct.
BTW I dont
Tomm NCCC said:1. Brian Lara
2. Ricky Ponting
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Inzamam Ul-Haq
5. Graeme Smith
I wouldn't even have Smith > Thorpe.silentstriker said:Graeme Smith > Sachin Tendulkar?
Interesting.
Dasa said:I wouldn't even have Smith > Thorpe.
Sanz said:It's like pick the batsman you want to be declare as best and then forget everything about runs scored and start building up stupid criteria where he can score above others. How else in the world can a batsman like Cullinan be ahead of Dravid and Kallis ?
No, the original list put Cullinan above Dravid as the best.silentstriker said:To be fair, the person who put Cullinan did say it was his 'favorite' and not 'best'.
Langeveldt said:My choice would be
1. R Dravid
2. R Ponting
3. J Kallis
4. M Hayden
5. B Lara
6. S Tendulkar
7. M Yousuf
I was thinking of putting Sachin down, but I only base my ratings on the players Ive watched as daft as it sounds, and yes I know he's a legend, but having only seen him in three tests (With a combined run total of about 20) its not all that fair. And Ive always rated Graeme Smithsilentstriker said:Graeme Smith > Sachin Tendulkar?
Interesting.
that's a pretty good list, that would probably be my top 10 too, though maybe not exactly in that order....aussie said:Had a rethink from my previous post & after long though this is my top 10 batsmen in order over the last decade:
1. Tendulkar
2. Lara
3. S Waugh
4. Ponting
5. Dravid
6. Inzamam
7. Hayden
8. Gilchrist
9. Kallis
10. Flower