BCCI Wants Ranatunga Dropped

[Precambrian]

I was being sarcastic Richard

Anyway, I hope Modi and his cronies eventually pay a price

They remind me of Japanese businessmen in the late 80s - people whose commercial success is totally out of all proportion with their level of competency

Do you really have a problem with non-westerners?

 

[Richard]

A question that's been asked more than once.

I'd say the answer is "less these days than I'd have said in previous times". And that's about all I'd say.

 

[Precambrian]

A question that's been asked more than once.

I'd say the answer is "less these days than I'd have said in previous times". And that's about all I'd say.

Sad.

 

[neutralguy]

How so? The players in SL cricket don't even get paid regularly, and they have to go to other tournaments to make a living, and yet despite their objections, you schedule something outside the FTP and flaunt it in people's faces? Who exactly is he helping? How was he doing what was best for his country?
I want to know what benefit SLC got or would have gotten from his actions, because I can't think of a single thing.

But my impression is that playing in IPL only the SLC players got richer and not the SLC board, where as if ranatunga scheduled the Eng-SL series, maybe he could getting something for the SLC board and players. So i guess it was in the bigger interest of SLC board
I also understand the 70 million USD issue by BCCI and this happened after ranatunga started contacting ECB for tour.

 

[social]

But my impression is that playing in IPL only the SLC players got richer and not the SLC board, where as if ranatunga scheduled the Eng-SL series, maybe he could getting something for the SLC board and players. So i guess it was in the bigger interest of SLC board
I also understand the 70 million USD issue by BCCI and this happened after ranatunga started contacting ECB for tour.

NG, you need to understand that some people here will never see any wrong in what the BCCI does.

The reality is that Ranatunga has a well documented history of standing up for the rights of SL cricket and of being politically incorrect on some issues.

On this issue, Ranatunga has "offended" the BCCI by comparing IPL to a "bowl of noodles" thereby implying that the cricket is of lesser standard and importance.

Rather than simply ignoring this and other comments, the BCCI is now threatening to withhold funding unless Ranatunga is removed and,by implication, replaced by a BCCI stooge

Unfortunately, because they hold the purse strings, the BCCI may win and this will be a precursor to a ludicrous situation where the Future Tours Program revolves around scheduling of the IPL i.e. a mickey mouse competition will take precedence over test match tours

 

[silentstriker]

But my impression is that playing in IPL only the SLC players got richer and not the SLC board, where as if ranatunga scheduled the Eng-SL series, maybe he could getting something for the SLC board and players. So i guess it was in the bigger interest of SLC board
I also understand the 70 million USD issue by BCCI and this happened after ranatunga started contacting ECB for tour.

There was also a $40 million USD bailout package that was on offer.

NG, you need to understand that some people here will never see any wrong in what the BCCI does.

Since I am the one he was replying to, I hope that didn't mean me. I think you can look at my post history regards to my view on BCCI.

However, I am not one of those people that thinks automatically someone is in the wrong, regardless of what I think of them overall.

Rather than simply ignoring this and other comments, the BCCI is now threatening to withhold funding unless Ranatunga is removed and,by implication, replaced by a BCCI stooge

I guess the SLC has a God-given right to BCCI funding? Why should they help out an unfriendly board?

 

[Precambrian]

NG, you need to understand that some people here will never see any wrong in what the BCCI does.

The reality is that Ranatunga has a well documented history of standing up for the rights of SL cricket and of being politically incorrect on some issues.

On this issue, Ranatunga has "offended" the BCCI by comparing IPL to a "bowl of noodles" thereby implying that the cricket is of lesser standard and importance.

Rather than simply ignoring this and other comments, the BCCI is now threatening to withhold funding unless Ranatunga is removed and,by implication, replaced by a BCCI stooge

Unfortunately, because they hold the purse strings, the BCCI may win and this will be a precursor to a ludicrous situation where the Future Tours Program revolves around scheduling of the IPL i.e. a mickey mouse competition will take precedence over test match tours

Au Provocateur.

 

[Matt79]

Do you really have a problem with non-westerners?

I'd think he'd say he doesn't - he does have an extremely low opinion of the BCCI and PCB, but that's hardly the mark of a racist, and he's hardly alone in having those opinions

He, and again he's hardly alone, regularly points out the crappy dictatorial behaviour that the BCCI pulls from time to time. Cricket is an inherently unhealthy structure at the momen, where one player is producing the significant majority of the income. Obviously we've had countries dictate terms in cricket in the past, and some of the ruffled feathers is the influence passing from England and Aus to India, but that doesn't make abuse of power in the here and now any less wrong.

As for the analogy with some Japanese businessmen of the 1980s to the BCCI, I'd say in many ways the analogy is apt. But there are many other examples that could be used, like the finance 'wizards' who've been earning millions for their genius in the last few years...

 

[silentstriker]

The problem is not that people dislike the BCCI, but the automatic assumption that they are in the wrong no matter what gets annoying quite fast. And it irks me even more that I, of all people, have to end up defending them from time to time.

 

[Precambrian]

I'd think he'd say he doesn't - he does have an extremely low opinion of the BCCI and PCB, but that's hardly the mark of a racist, and he's hardly alone in having those opinions

He, and again he's hardly alone, regularly points out the crappy dictatorial behaviour that the BCCI pulls from time to time. Cricket is an inherently unhealthy structure at the momen, where one player is producing the significant majority of the income. Obviously we've had countries dictate terms in cricket in the past, and some of the ruffled feathers is the influence passing from England and Aus to India, but that doesn't make abuse of power in the here and now any less wrong.

As for the analogy with some Japanese businessmen of the 1980s to the BCCI, I'd say in many ways the analogy is apt. But there are many other examples that could be used, like the finance 'wizards' who've been earning millions for their genius in the last few years...

Agreed that BCCI is a prick when it comes to many a issue. But dragging them in every possible discussion, whether related or not, and then quoting the Japanese business men, with absolutely no connection.(Japanese now are the biggest car-makers and electronics goods makers ; a fluke?) is only suggesting what I stated.

 

[Migara]

When you actually read the article, what the BCCI seems to have said is:

They had promised the Sri Lankan delegation that they will go ahead with the proposed deal or offer an even better one once Ranatunga is out of office, but had declared they would not strike any deal with SLC till then. They had indicated that there was a likelihood of two future Sri Lanka tours by the Indian team in the calendar scheduled for 2009 and 2010 being cancelled unless the situation at the SLC changes.

How is this blackmail? The BCCI is not obliged to bail out SLC in the first place, and certainly within it's bounds to suggest that they dont want to do any above-and-beyond business with Ranatunga. In the above para, they are explicitly saying they will provide some sort of financial package to SLC once his tenure is done.

With the same logic it's non of the BCCI's business to see whether ICL players play for Sri Lanka or not. SL is not obliged to only release players to IPL. They can so it for ICL as well.

 

[Precambrian]

With the same logic it's non of the BCCI's business to see whether ICL players play for Sri Lanka or not. SL is not obliged to only release players to IPL. They can so it for ICL as well.

Yeah. SLC is an independent body and BCCI should have no say int heir internal matters. However, SLC cannot accept the 40 Million US$ without adhering to the conditions set by BCCI.

 

[Matt79]

Agreed that BCCI is a prick when it comes to many a issue. But dragging them in every possible discussion, whether related or not, and then quoting the Japanese business men, with absolutely no connection.(Japanese now are the biggest car-makers and electronics goods makers ; a fluke?) is only suggesting what I stated.

Just pointing out that it's a bit of a stretch to suggest he has a racist attitude when most are in broad agreement that there's a lot of truth in the issues he's citing. It's not a suggestion to be thrown around lightly.

 

[silentstriker]

Just pointing out that it's a bit of a stretch to suggest he has a racist attitude when most are in broad agreement that there's a lot of truth in the issues he's citing. It's not a suggestion to be thrown around lightly.

Can someone answer this:

1. Why does the SLC have the right to funding from the BCCI?
2. Why should BCCI fund an organization whose head makes disparaging statements about them?
3. Why shouldn't BCCI refuse to work with a man who throws a bailout offer of $40 million back in their face and insults them by claiming they want to 'buy' SLC cricket?
4. Why is it wrong to stop negotiations when one man willfully goes out of his way to offend them and not only insults their product, but ignores the contracts signed by his own players and try to set up his own series?

If this was any other board besides the BCCI, everyone would be calling Ranatunga a prick and calling him a fool for not listening to offers like that and praising the organization that tried to help. But it's the BCCI, so it's easy to rally against them. All I ask is people try to be unbiased.

 

[Migara]

Yeah. SLC is an independent body and BCCI should have no say int heir internal matters. However, SLC cannot accept the 40 Million US$ without adhering to the conditions set by BCCI.

Now imagine if ICL comes out with such a bail out package, if SL players are released to ICL. That will create nice drama.

 

[Matt79]

Can someone answer this:

1. Why does the SLC have the right to funding from the BCCI?
2. Why should BCCI fund an organization whose head makes disparaging statements about them?
3. Why shouldn't BCCI refuse to work with a man who throws a bailout offer of $40 million back in their face and insults them by claiming they want to 'buy' SLC cricket?
4. Why is it wrong to stop negotiations when one man willfully goes out of his way to offend them and not only insults their product, but ignores the contracts signed by his own players and try to set up his own series?

If this was any other board besides the BCCI, everyone would be calling Ranatunga a prick and calling him a fool for not listening to offers like that and praising the organization that tried to help. But it's the BCCI, so it's easy to rally against them. All I ask is people try to be unbiased.

In this instance I was talking about having a low opinion of the BCCI in general doesn't prove you dislike Indian people.

SLC obviously has no inherent right to handouts from the BCCI.

However, and I've only been following this particular issue vaguely, but am I right in saying that the offer of the $40 million was only made at the same time as the demand for Ranatunga's sacking? Because that's a slightly different scenario from the offer being on the table, then being withdrawn because of Ranatunga's behaviour.

I'm not really trying to defend Ranatunga's behaviour, it sounds like he's been daft. But even if they have reasonable cause to be annoyed, the BCCI is being a little bit lacking in subtlety as they try to work this issue into an opportunity for them to more securely buy another country's board. Megaphone diplomacy, especially when using threats, is always ugly.

 

[Richard]

However, and I've only been following this particular issue vaguely, but am I right in saying that the offer of the $40 million was only made at the same time as the demand for Ranatunga's sacking? Because that's a slightly different scenario from the offer being on the table, then being withdrawn because of Ranatunga's behaviour.

IIRR, the offer was made, then Ranatunga came out with these statements, and the BCCI have said the offer's off until Ranatunga is off.

 

[duffer]

Agreed that BCCI is a prick when it comes to many a issue. But dragging them in every possible discussion, whether related or not, and then quoting the Japanese business men, with absolutely no connection.(Japanese now are the biggest car-makers and electronics goods makers ; a fluke?) is only suggesting what I stated.

Welcome to Cricketweb, I see you're getting familiar with the new surroundings.

 

[Migara]

Can someone answer this:
[1] Why does the SLC have the right to funding from the BCCI?
[2] Why should BCCI fund an organization whose head makes disparaging statements about them?
[3] Why shouldn't BCCI refuse to work with a man who throws a bailout offer of $40 million back in their face and insults them by claiming they want to 'buy' SLC cricket?
[4] Why is it wrong to stop negotiations when one man willfully goes out of his way to offend them and not only insults their product, but ignores the contracts signed by his own players and try to set up his own series?

#1. They don't have. It has been agreed on before all this drama. Now BCCI is using it as a remoye controller to control SLC

#2. They should not. And on the same note, SLC should not bother whether IPL runs or not, whose head man trying to buy off SL talents for big bucks.

#3. Aren't they trying to buy it? BCCI wants SL players to be available for the next 10 years for IPL. Now stating the truth has become a crime.

#4. Some of the players had sai publicly it's country before self. It's very sad that these bunch of hypocrites are going to carry SL cricket in next decade. Thay should see how De Silva played for Kent. He always made himself available to SL matches even on short notice when playing for Kent. Ranatunga is from a era of "country before self" men. Sadly current bunch lacks this attitude barring Jayasuriya and Muralitharan, who are essentially from an earlier era.

 

[duffer]

Now imagine if ICL comes out with such a bail out package, if SL players are released to ICL. That will create nice drama.

Hahahhahaha.