battle of the australian batting capitulations (2010s)

[NUFAN]

Don't think it's hypocritical to do it either. You've identified the points in each innings where Australia's position is strongest. They didn't have to lose a wicket the ball after.

Of course a wicket had to be taken before the next run (unless we declared or finished 1 out, or else he would have chosen a higher score at 1 down for more impact). Btw i dont think its hypocritical, my post was a wahhh we suck but we suck ever so slightly less than the figures say post.

 

[GIMH]

i know m8 his behaviour is out of control

This never would have happened in October 2010

 

[Shady Slim]

either way that's gloriously bad

 

[The Battlers Prince]

So will Australia start doing better in SC before SC teams start being better in Australian conditions?
The pitches in Australia lately have been slow, low garbage so I think the is latter more likely.

 

[Burgey]

Well, subcontinental teams have been touring here since 1946 and have never won a series, so you could say they're due. I don't see too many Australian sides winning in the SC in the immediate future as there don't seem to be many, if any, real quality players of spin coming through the ranks here. Australia would kill for a Doug Walters/ Darren Lehmann/ AB type player right now who found playing spin a natural thing. You just don't see much of it these days here. Even in junior rep ranks, a decent spinner stands out like dog's balls and the good players seem to get a bit paralysed playing them.

I think there's a bit too much emphasis on getting forward to the spinners in junior coaching here. The idea that "using your feet" means running down the deck all the time is wrong. Good players of spin are equally adept at going back and using their crease. It's not something you see many Australian players do at all.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Well, subcontinental teams have been touring here since 1946 and have never won a series,

Is that true? I know they haven't won recently but I wouldn't have guessed that literally no Asian team has ever won a series in Australia.

We piss and moan about the Aus team losing in Asia more often than not but I guess that puts everything into perspective.

I guess the really annoying bit is that Australia hardly even competed

 

[morgieb]

Is that true? I know they haven't won recently but I wouldn't have guessed that literally no Asian team has ever won a series in Australia.

We piss and moan about the Aus team losing in Asia more often than not but I guess that puts everything into perspective.

I guess the really annoying bit is that Australia hardly even competed

Nope. India drew with us three times and Pakistan twice but no series wins.

 

[The Battlers Prince]

Well, subcontinental teams have been touring here since 1946 and have never won a series, so you could say they're due. I don't see too many Australian sides winning in the SC in the immediate future as there don't seem to be many, if any, real quality players of spin coming through the ranks here. Australia would kill for a Doug Walters/ Darren Lehmann/ AB type player right now who found playing spin a natural thing. You just don't see much of it these days here. Even in junior rep ranks, a decent spinner stands out like dog's balls and the good players seem to get a bit paralysed playing them.

I think there's a bit too much emphasis on getting forward to the spinners in junior coaching here. The idea that "using your feet" means running down the deck all the time is wrong. Good players of spin are equally adept at going back and using their crease. It's not something you see many Australian players do at all.

that's so true, get forward has been the mantra for a long time. I'd probably add that in some circles, "playing off the back foot" to a spinner is discouraged. But I think a player who uses the crease and reads the pitch of the ball early is going to have more success than we have currently

 

[Top_Cat]

Well, subcontinental teams have been touring here since 1946 and have never won a series, so you could say they're due. I don't see too many Australian sides winning in the SC in the immediate future as there don't seem to be many, if any, real quality players of spin coming through the ranks here. Australia would kill for a Doug Walters/ Darren Lehmann/ AB type player right now who found playing spin a natural thing. You just don't see much of it these days here. Even in junior rep ranks, a decent spinner stands out like dog's balls and the good players seem to get a bit paralysed playing them.

I think there's a bit too much emphasis on getting forward to the spinners in junior coaching here. The idea that "using your feet" means running down the deck all the time is wrong. Good players of spin are equally adept at going back and using their crease. It's not something you see many Australian players do at all.

Not using the crease is something that gets them in trouble against the moving ball too.

 

[TheJediBrah]

IIRC 2004 Damien Martyn played almost everything off the back foot unless it was a full toss

 

[Furball]

Completely screwing the pooch in all four innings of a match deserves some recognition

1st innings SL 26/5
2nd innings Australia 267/1
3rd innings SL 98/4
4th innings Australia 100/1

Guess which side won this match

That has to be one of the worst defeats I can remember when you look at it like that.

 

[Spikey]

look mate we were 9/21 once

 

[StephenZA]

look mate we were 9/21 once

That was such a good day... from bad to brilliant in a few hours.

 

[Howe_zat]

look mate we were 9/21 once

Think it's unfair of you to give the score right after Australia lost a wicket.

 

[Furball]

Bumping this for the current Test. Worst ever score in an innings where it's been 150/0 at one point (other than Zimbabwe)

 

[burr]

I love this thread.

At the end of the decade, when we reflect back on the last 10 years of Australian cricket, the enduring legacy of the side will have been to trademark spectacular collapses as a uniquely Australian trait. Superb effort boys.

 

[Jono]

yeah I always used to hate how people would say typical *insert country here* collapse, because almost every team used to collapse and their fans would claim it as if they were the only team to do it. But it used to be every team other than Australia...

 

[vcs]

Which is the most collapse-resistant team right now? Even Pakistan's had a couple recently, that too in UAE.

Still have to go with England, even though their mighty lower-order was finally taken down by Bangladesh in the last match.

 

[burr]

Which is the most collapse-resistant team right now? Even Pakistan's had a couple recently, that too in UAE.

Still have to go with England, even though their mighty lower-order was finally taken down by Bangladesh in the last match.

I'd go with England. I have no stats and I know we just had the Bangladesh debacle but their tail is so long it feels like more often than not they'll scramble out of it (although the opening lot atm often put them in a position requiring some scrambling).

 

[Black_Warrior]

This conversation is going on in social media quite a lot now with claims of how everyone sucks now and hence we are seeing all these collapses. I am not sure I quite see a trend appearing or anything particularly different about the recent collapses. It's common in test cricket and that's why we love test cricket. You lose concentration or make one mistake and test cricket can come back and bite you in the bum pretty fast. I don't think there is anything 'modern' about that.

There should also be a term for the 'opposite of collapse' thanks to the England cricket team..A few times during the Pakistan series their top order collapsed and they still managed decent totals. I won't be surprised if we see quite a few during the India-England series as well. The only pattern I can find is probably the fact that for most of the top test teams today, their bowling attack is stronger than their batting and that is reflected in a lot of the recent plus current and upcoming series

England-Pakistan

Australia-South Africa

India-England

Pakistan-Australia