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Batsman v Bowler thread: Miandad or Holding in Tests?

Better test player, Javed Miandad or Michael Holding.

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BazBall21

BazBall21

International Captain
Contemporaries in different disciplines that had similar success. Both ATGs but a fair way off All Time XI discussions.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Surprised at the results of this one tbh. Miandad would definitely improve more teams by a larger amount across history than Holding IMO.
 
Slifer

Slifer

International Captain
Prince EWS said:
Surprised at the results of this one tbh. Miandad would definitely improve more teams by a larger amount across history than Holding IMO.
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Like which ones? WI, Eng, RSA, Australia no. He wouldn't make their all time XI. He'd probably make SL, NZ , India and obviously Pak. Holding wouldn't make Australia and South Africa but he has a good shot at the rest.
 
BazBall21

BazBall21

International Captain
Slifer said:
Like which ones? WI, Eng, RSA, Australia no. He wouldn't make their all time XI. He'd probably make SL, NZ , India and obviously Pak. Holding wouldn't make Australia and South Africa but he has a good shot at the rest.
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Wouldn’t make Australia. South Africa is close.
 
Red_Ink_Squid

Red_Ink_Squid

Global Moderator
Slifer said:
Like which ones? WI, Eng, RSA, Australia no. He wouldn't make their all time XI. He'd probably make SL, NZ , India and obviously Pak. Holding wouldn't make Australia and South Africa but he has a good shot at the rest.
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I don't think he means countries' all time XIs, he's talking about which player would most improve actual Test XIs from across history. E.g. if you could have chosen one of them to somehow play for West Indies this century you'd pick Miandad since your bowling has usually been decent-good but your batting has been underpowered. On the other hand, batting heavy teams (e.g. 00s India) would rather have had Holding available to them.

PEWS is theorising that on average across all Test XIs in history, adding a Miandad to each team would improve them by more than adding a Holding would.
 
Slifer

Slifer

International Captain
I disagree. Of the current teams, either would make most teams tbf. Imo, great fast bowlers especially those capable of bowling on flat surfaces and performing away from home are few and far between.
 
Adorable Asshole

Adorable Asshole

International Regular
Slifer said:
Like which ones? WI, Eng, RSA, Australia no. He wouldn't make their all time XI. He'd probably make SL, NZ , India and obviously Pak. Holding wouldn't make Australia and South Africa but he has a good shot at the rest.
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I would pick Roberts over Holding in an All-time WI XI. Holding is a bit better bowler in isolation but the sheer pace that Roberts brings is more important for the team.
 
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