Barry Richards vs Mike Procter

[capt_Luffy]

Surprised couldn't find a thread. Let's see who wins this one, the 5th greatest opener or the 5th greatest allrounder.

 

[h_hurricane]

Procter easily. With the ball he was in the ballpark of Richards with the bat.
Then all the things he was capable with the bat.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Proctor

 

[Coronis]

Relevant domestic records for each player:

Barry Richards
South Africa (Natal)
91 matches 160 innings 8299 @ 59.27 27 tons 41 fifties 72 catches
24 @ 37.08
England (Gloucestershire, Hampshire)
205 matches 343 innings 15666 @ 50.54 38 tons 92 fifties 264 catches
46 @ 36.41 1 5’fer
Australia (South Australia)
10 matches 16 innings 1538 @ 109.85 6 tons 3 fifties
5 @ 29.00

Mike Procter
South Africa (Natal, Western Province, Rhodesia, Orange Free State)
121 matches 199 innings 6715 @ 36.49 16 tons 36 fifties 104 catches
506 @ 19.32 26 5’fers 10 10’fers
England (Gloucestershire)
259 matches 437 innings 14441 @ 36.19 32 tons 70 fifties 209 catches
833 @ 19.56 42 5’fers 5 10’fers

 

[kyear2]

Both magnificent.

 

[Coronis]

Both magnificent.

Avoiding the question

 

[CricketFan90s]

Mike Procter should have been called the Best Allrounder of 70s and 80s above Imran, Hadlee, Botham and Kapil but he never played much. Barry Richards atleast need to prove that he is better than Viv Richards. So Procter slightly better than Barry.

 

[ankitj]

Did Procter play WSC?

 

[ankitj]

It's interesting that in ESPN legends of cricket exercise, Barry Richards was at #24. Don't remember if Procter was included in top 50 but was definitely not in the top 25.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Did Procter play WSC?

Yes he did. Their stats in WSC:

Barry Richards: 5 matches, 554 @79.14
Mike Procter: 4 matches, 14 @16.07; 182 @30.33

Both tops the average charts in their disciple comfortably, but neither played enough to be near the highest run getters or wicket takers. I read somewhere that Procter bowled mostly offspin in WSC; so that's even more impressive imo.

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Mike Procter - Greatest Cricketer in last 50 years

Barry Richards - Top 7 batsman last 50 years
( behind Sunny, Sachin, Lara, Viv, Pollock and Smith )

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

50 Bishan Bedi (India)

49 Alan Davidson (Australia)

48 Allan Donald (South Africa)

47 Allan Knott (England)

46 Victor Trumper (Australia)

45 Ray Lindwall (Australia)

44 Javed Miandad (Pakistan)

43 Clarrie Grimmett (Australia)

42 Jim Laker (England)

41 Glenn McGrath (Australia)

40 Michael Holding (West Indies)

39 Curtly Ambrose (West Indies)

38 Andy Roberts (West Indies)

37 Joel Garner (West Indies)

36 Richie Benaud (Australia)

35 Clyde Walcott (West Indies)

34 Brian Lara (West Indies)

33 Fred Trueman (England)

32 Mike Procter (South Africa)

31 Courtney Walsh (West Indies)

30 Bill O'Rielly (Australia)

29 Herbert Sutcliffe (England)

28 Wilfred Rhodes (England)

27 Everton Weekes (West Indies)

26 SF Barnes (England)

25 Allan Border (Australia)

24 Barry Richards (South Africa)

23 Steve Waugh (Australia)

22 Kapil Dev (India)

21 Wasim Akram (Pakistan)

20 Sir Leonard Hutton (England)

19 Sir Frank Worrell (West Indies)

18 George Headley (West Indies)

17 Greg Chappell (Australia)

16 Malcolm Marshall (West Indies)

15 Graeme Pollock (South Africa)

14 WG Grace (England)

13 Keith Miller (Australia)

12 Sir Richard Hadlee (New Zealand)

11 Ian Botham (England)

10 Sunil Gavaskar (India)

09 Wally Hammond (England)

08 Imran Khan (Pakistan)

07 Sachin Tendulkar (India)

06 Dennis Lillee (Australia)

05 Sir Jack Hobbs (England)

04 Shane Warne (Australia)

03 Sir Vivian Richards (West Indies)

02 Sir Garfield Sobers (West Indies)

01 Sir Donald Bradman (Australia)

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Proctor was around 43rd

32nd

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Yes he did. Their stats in WSC:

Barry Richards: 5 matches, 554 @79.14
Mike Procter: 4 matches, 14 @16.07; 182 @30.33

Both tops the average charts in their disciple comfortably, but neither played enough to be near the highest run getters or wicket takers. I read somewhere that Procter bowled mostly offspin in WSC; so that's even more impressive imo.

5 matches for Rest of the World 11
Bat avg 49, Bowling Avg 24

Overall 16 matches
Bat avg 33
Ball avg 17

 

[kyear2]

Avoiding the question

It's speculative, but the potential of these two guys were to both be in an ATG XI.

Both were amazing.

Procter would have been up there with Imran, Hadlee, Botham with even more dimensions to his skill set while arguably being a better batsman than any of them.

Richards..... Great attacking post war opening batsmen with an excellent technique to excel in varying conditions doesn't exist, ironically the closest comp being his county teammate. Throw in his ability to contribute to the cordon (which Procter does as well) and he's confirmed as a one of one type player.

Great post war openers are more rare than great post war spinners and definitely more so than bowling all-rounders.

 

[capt_Luffy]

It's speculative, but the potential of these two guys were to both be in an ATG XI.

Both were amazing.

Procter would have been up there with Imran, Hadlee, Botham with even more dimensions to his skill set while arguably being a better batsman than any of them.

Richards..... Great attacking post war opening batsmen with an excellent technique to excel in varying conditions doesn't exist, ironically the closest comp being his county teammate. Throw in his ability to contribute to the cordon (which Procter does as well) and he's confirmed as a one of one type player.

Great post war openers are more rare than great post war spinners and definitely more so than bowling all-rounders.

If you feel like it, you can throw one vote for Richards. I also don't think he should loose nill.

 

[kyear2]

If you feel like it, you can throw one vote for Richards. I also don't think he should loose nill.

No he does not.

 

[Coronis]

It's speculative, but the potential of these two guys were to both be in an ATG XI.

Both were amazing.

Procter would have been up there with Imran, Hadlee, Botham with even more dimensions to his skill set while arguably being a better batsman than any of them.

Richards..... Great attacking post war opening batsmen with an excellent technique to excel in varying conditions doesn't exist, ironically the closest comp being his county teammate. Throw in his ability to contribute to the cordon (which Procter does as well) and he's confirmed as a one of one type player.

Great post war openers are more rare than great post war spinners and definitely more so than bowling all-rounders.

So then Imran vs Gavaskar? Is Gavaskar better?

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

So then Imran vs Gavaskar? Is Gavaskar better?

Yes.

 

[kyear2]

So then Imran vs Gavaskar? Is Gavaskar better?

You do love the drama, or chaos.

Imran easily for me, in addition to the batting he also brings the added dimension of reverse. Rated well ahead of Gavaskar on my list.