Bangladesh Believes India Has A Weaker Bowling Attack

[Anil]

Seriously, do you have to phrase it like that if you actually want to have a discussion instead of an insult-fest?

But I will anyway: Between 2000/2001-2005/06, here are Gilchrist's series averages:

33,33,40,43,49,16,36,25,19,43,44,40,45,24,49,62,19,30,32,64,24,23,33,33,96,60


Thats 26 series. He averaged 30+ 19 times. That's pretty good in terms of being consistent and useful most of the time.

i'm not sure why you take 30+ as a sign of consistency for a top order batsman, it's not, anything less than 35 would be less than average in these high-scoring days...and if you notice the bolded ones above, he has quite a lot of those...in fact out of 26 series, 13 of his series have been low-scoring ones...if that isn't inconsistency what is?

 

[jammay123]

ah aint this thead great. sjould definitly win the greigy award. the indians fans are just to damn arrogant. they have players who were great but are no longer in the top 4 odi teams aus, sa, nz, sri lanka and wi all better than india and it will show when india are knocked out by mahelas men

 

[adharcric]

This thread is a joke. I can't believe so many people are condemning Richard's views here - Bangladesh are certainly improving rapidly but yesterday's match was still an anomaly.
Let them accomplish more before declaring them a class side.

 

[Johnners]

This thread is a joke. I can't believe so many people are condemning Richard's views here - Bangladesh are certainly improving rapidly but yesterday's match was still an anomaly.
Let them accomplish more before declaring them a class side.

Spot on.

 

[Smudge]

What is this "period" nonsense?

Someone's losing their "rag"?

 

[Trigger_Tiger]

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This thread is a joke. I can't believe so many people are condemning Richard's views here - Bangladesh are certainly improving rapidly but yesterday's match was still an anomaly.
Let them accomplish more before declaring them a class side.

Couldn't have said it any better minus the Richard bit (he is an extremist ). A very similar point raised by Dav Whatmore on his exclusive interview with Cricinfo: http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/wc2007/content/story/285936.html

 

[Prince EWS]

Iqbal struck me as a bit Aftab/Ashraful like, to be honest. He played some lovely shots, but he looked a little bit out of his depth in defence at times. He's only a kid of course, so it's way too early to pass judgement on him, but I wasn't tremendously excited by yesterday's innings.

Mushfiqur and Saqibul are a different story.

Yep, agreed. It'll be very interesting to see how Mushfiqur and Saqibul do in their next test series. A batting lineup of Omar, Nafees, Saleh, Saqibul, Bashar, Ashraful/Aftab, Mushfiqur could be quite decent, especially as they get more experience.

 

[Prince EWS]

Dunno about Tamim and Saqibul, but Mushfiqur could certainly be good and Aftab Ahmed and Mohammad Ashraful almost certainly won't.

Just as a matter of interest Richard, how do you rate Tushar Imran as a future prospect?

 

[Richard]

I think Richard you think that India are a betetr team than they actually are.

No, you think they're worse than they are. **** knows why.

B'desh winning yesterday really wasnt that big a shock for me, it was always going to be a tough one for India, and I wasnt the only who thought that as well.

So? Plenty of people think similar things (not many people, to pick a random example, though Stephen Harmison was going to turn-out completely rubbish in June 2004, but guess what?) it doesn't mean such a thing is right. You happened to be correct on this occasion - but I think it was more an example of a far-fetched prediction happening to pick lucky than inspired guesswork.

but you were probably the only person anywhere who though 450 was a score that India could quite easily get.

Just admit it Richard, you got it wrong, and badly

Well clearly I was wrong to expect India to win the game but I maintain such a thing was not an unreasonable expectation.

 

[Richard]

This guy even haven't watched the match, and I am sure he haven't watched any of the Bangladesh's match within a year. He just want to blindly argue and we are giving him chances. He even doesn't know that he is virtually the only person in this forum (and probably only one in this earth) who still thinks Bangladesh isn't improving. Even a schoolboy has more logic in his argument than him.

No, many schoolboys have more logic than you.

Yes, I have watched some Bangladesh matches in the last year. You don't know anything about the number of people on here or on Earth who think such things - you just like to believe most people are with you, that much has been patently obvious since my first dealings with you.

 

[Richard]

Just as a matter of interest Richard, how do you rate Tushar Imran as a future prospect?

I always thought he looked rather good, personally - certainly better than most Bangladeshi batsmen ever have done (Shaz Nafees Az excepted, obviously), and just about whenever I've read a scorecard with him on in the last year he seems to be in the runs.

Yet he still doesn't seem to be rated very highly.

 

[Prince EWS]

I always thought he looked rather good, personally - certainly better than most Bangladeshi batsmen ever have done (Shaz Nafees Az excepted, obviously), and just about whenever I've read a scorecard with him on in the last year he seems to be in the runs.

Yet he still doesn't seem to be rated very highly.

Yeah, I thought you might rate him.

The fact is though, he has looked all at sea every time he's played at international level - not just getting out early either, but looking decidedly rubbish. Where as someone like Rajin Saleh looks a million dollars and shows signs that, given time, he has the technique required to develop into an international class batsman given his age.

It's quite hard to judge young players simply based on scorecards and trends - their techniques, be they batting or bowling techniques, are far more important signs as young players tend to grow, mature and develop.

 

[Richard]

But such things aren't always an ultimately accurate gauge, either. Just look at, for example, the cases of Daren Ganga, Greg Blewett, Imran Farhat and Hemang Badani. Technically excellent, and with no apparent inferiority complex. Ian Bell looked for a time like he might be going down that route, but fortunately he seems to have gone from "appears" to "is".

Me, I'm not willing to give any Bangladeshi player a top-notch rating unless he looks really special a la Shahriar Nafees Ahmed, Mohammad Rafique, Mashrafe bin Mortaza. I've seen too many who, on whether on the Tushar, Saleh or Ashraful side, appear to, in some ways, have the goods, but nonetheless fail repeatedly. There have been at least 2 occasions where I've thought Bangladesh have been improving and they've ended-up going back down again fairly rapidly. Next time, I'm going to wait for some real, solid evidence - ie, 2 or 3 years of consistent performance from more than 2 or 3 players, before getting excited again.

And until such a time, I won't take Bangladesh games seriously as Tests\ODIs, even if they do win the odd one.

 

[Prince EWS]

But such things aren't always an ultimately accurate gauge, either. Just look at, for example, the cases of Daren Ganga, Greg Blewett, Imran Farhat and Hemang Badani. Technically excellent, and with no apparent inferiority complex. Ian Bell looked for a time like he might be going down that route, but fortunately he seems to have gone from "appears" to "is".

Me, I'm not willing to give any Bangladeshi player a top-notch rating unless he looks really special a la Shahriar Nafees Ahmed, Mohammad Rafique, Mashrafe bin Mortaza. I've seen too many who, on whether on the Tushar, Saleh or Ashraful side, appear to, in some ways, have the goods, but nonetheless fail repeatedly. There have been at least 2 occasions where I've thought Bangladesh have been improving and they've ended-up going back down again fairly rapidly. Next time, I'm going to wait for some real, solid evidence - ie, 2 or 3 years of consistent performance from more than 2 or 3 players, before getting excited again.

And until such a time, I won't take Bangladesh games seriously as Tests\ODIs, even if they do win the odd one.

Fair enough.

As for Imran Farhat though, his technique is far from excellent. He doesn't move his back foot across at all making him basically have "Michael Bevan syndrome" and his hooks and pulls are just as bad - and frequent.

Blewett had a front foot problem of a similar style - he moved his front foot directly down the wicket a bit instead of actually getting it across to the ball... and given his liking for the cover drive (which produced him a lot of runs, mind), this always posed problems when he was even slighlty out of form.

As for Ganga, well he took a while, but he's finally starting to come good in terms of run scoring - an example of what I was saying, really. Back a good technique and it will come through more often than not.

 

[crickmate]

heh, like someone cares for your thought. Some self-centric people thinks they are the most important, every one is revolving around them. The truth is a truth, it does not matter whether you believe it or not. Its now on all the newspaper/Article today what people think about Bangladesh now. It really does not matter what "a Richard" thinks about Bangladesh.

But such things aren't always an ultimately accurate gauge, either. Just look at, for example, the cases of Daren Ganga, Greg Blewett, Imran Farhat and Hemang Badani. Technically excellent, and with no apparent inferiority complex. Ian Bell looked for a time like he might be going down that route, but fortunately he seems to have gone from "appears" to "is".

Me, I'm not willing to give any Bangladeshi player a top-notch rating unless he looks really special a la Shahriar Nafees Ahmed, Mohammad Rafique, Mashrafe bin Mortaza. I've seen too many who, on whether on the Tushar, Saleh or Ashraful side, appear to, in some ways, have the goods, but nonetheless fail repeatedly. There have been at least 2 occasions where I've thought Bangladesh have been improving and they've ended-up going back down again fairly rapidly. Next time, I'm going to wait for some real, solid evidence - ie, 2 or 3 years of consistent performance from more than 2 or 3 players, before getting excited again.

And until such a time, I won't take Bangladesh games seriously as Tests\ODIs, even if they do win the odd one.

 

[Richard]

heh, like someone cares for your thought. Some self-centric people thinks they are the most important, every one is revolving around them.

And such people have nothing whatsoever to do with this.

The truth is a truth, it does not matter whether you believe it or not. Its now on all the newspaper/Article today what people think about Bangladesh now. It really does not matter what "a Richard" thinks about Bangladesh.

Such people who write such articles matter no more or less than "a Richard".

 

[Prince EWS]

heh, like someone cares for your thought. Some self-centric people thinks they are the most important, every one is revolving around them. The truth is a truth, it does not matter whether you believe it or not. Its now on all the newspaper/Article today what people think about Bangladesh now. It really does not matter what "a Richard" thinks about Bangladesh.

It really doesn't matter what anyone thinks of them - you, me, Richard, or the people in the paper included. What matters is what they do on the field, and there's no denying that standard has improved of late (even if not significantly, and even if only short-term..).

 

[Richard]

Fair enough.

As for Imran Farhat though, his technique is far from excellent. He doesn't move his back foot across at all making him basically have "Michael Bevan syndrome" and his hooks and pulls are just as bad - and frequent.

Blewett had a front foot problem of a similar style - he moved his front foot directly down the wicket a bit instead of actually getting it across to the ball... and given his liking for the cover drive (which produced him a lot of runs, mind), this always posed problems when he was even slighlty out of form.

As for Ganga, well he took a while, but he's finally starting to come good in terms of run scoring - an example of what I was saying, really. Back a good technique and it will come through more often than not.

Haha. He's been starting to look good several times. As with Bangladesh, I'm still to be convinced.

Imran Farhat was more in the context of Pakistani openers than anything else. He may be pretty ordinary, but he's easily the best long-form specialist opening-batsman in Pakistan.

 

[Richard]

It really doesn't matter what anyone thinks of them - you, me, Richard, or the people in the paper included. What matters is what they do on the field, and there's no denying that standard has improved of late (even if not significantly, and even if only short-term..).

Indeed there isn't - and certain people would do well to get through their somewhat thick skulls that I've acknowledged such a thing.

However, I also acknowledged it in 2000 and 2003, and was utterly wrong to presume such a thing was going to be long-term. This time, I'm going to wait, and continue to be skeptical until such a time as I see it as long-term.

 

[Dick Rockett]

This thread is a joke. I can't believe so many people are condemning Richard's views here - Bangladesh are certainly improving rapidly but yesterday's match was still an anomaly.
Let them accomplish more before declaring them a class side.

As usual, it has more to do with Richard's uncompromising attitude than whether or not he's correct.

In this case, he poured scorn all over the very idea that Bangladesh had a show of winning and now he looks a bit silly. It's no surprise that others are now putting the boot in, and even less surprising that Richard's fighting like a cornered mongoose. He always does, and is proud of it.